Before anyone says anything, I found out Nadd does exist as a miniature, but the quote predates the Star Wars Miniatures series; it existed in 2003, whereas Star Wars Miniatures didn't begin production until 2004.
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February holidays so I might get down to a response. However I do have to write CaV posts that should have been done several months ago and write rebuttals to other people as well. Anyway don't be certain to expect anything but I might get a response done.
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It's stated many times (mostly in the Fact Files) that it was indeed the Dark Holocron. Sidious does believe the Jedi's various Sith artifacts are forgeries, but this case is likely the exception, as he is genuinely pleased with Dooku after acquiring the item. And to my knowledge, there's no specific quote about the DH being a fake, just Sidious speaking generally about most of the Sith knowledge available to the Order.
I'll have to go back and look through the relevant Fact Files, but I'm pretty certain the one Dooku obtains is the real deal.
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Except the Fact Files are retconned by what Sidious has said. He states categorically that all of them were forgeries. Not just some. What's worse is that Kun completely smashes his holocron, on-panel. Better yet, the Jedi VS. Sith source goes out of its way to say that Dooku and Kun used different holocrons. There's a massive continuity error in the idea that Dooku used a holocron that was blown to pieces by Kun's fist. If we are using Sidious as a reliable source on its authenticity then the fact he makes clear that it's fake is far more believable and comes from a far more recent source on that matter.
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Sidious overrides canonical facts with his opinions? It's stated that Dooku found and used it in the Fact Files, New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, Complete Encyclopedia etc. What Sheev thinks is irrelevant (and doesn't contradict the idea of there being exceptions to his statement)
It doesn't matter if Kun smashed it, it was clearly salvaged and later restored. The Essential Guide to the Force is fallible, as you know, since it's from the perspective of historians, Jedi, Sith etc. so that's largely irrelevant. Fact is, we have unbiased, infallible sources stating Dooku stole the legitimate Dark Holocron and studied it.
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Is that actually stated? It should be the case, but it clearly isn't. We either go by the latest material (stating Dooku has the proper holocron) or the spirits weren't really destroyed and it's information was preserved. There are simply too many sources pointing to this being the real Dark Holocron in the Count's possession.
Could it not be argued that it's the genuine article but with missing knowledge? This would keep in line with the quotes stating 'Most of Kun's knowledge died with him' and fit with the numerous sources stating it's legit.
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Those are the only ones I care for.
But yeah no, you can't recover spirits that have been vanquished in the attempts to slay their Jedi masters. Those spirits being the gatekeepers. Not to mention, are entirely free from the holocron they were bound in.
There's a massive contradiction and the statements from Jedi Path and Jedi VS. Sith clearly attempt to rectify this oversight.
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Disagreed. The Complete Encyclopedia was created after the Essential Guide to the Force, so it's clearly not a newly realised mistake that they attempted to fix with the more recent material. As for the Jedi Path quote, I haven't been able to find it. I know a statement like that exists, but I'm positive it's not in that material.
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