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Originally posted by dadudemon
I mean...I thought my point was rather obvious.


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I'll do better to explain myself, next time.


In Surtur's defense (he doesn't need me to white knight him but I'm doing it anyway), I think he's talking about probability of encounter by race. You'll have poorer neighborhoods that get patrolled more often due to crime because they are poor. Poorer neighborhoods have far more blacks than in suburbs. So the stop and frisk statistics might be another "victim" of population density and poverty statistics rather than a true racist policy. A way to measure and control for this is to check on a "sister city" that has similar population density and crime but a much smaller concentration of black population (in other words, look for a "whiter" city). If stop and frisk activities are better predicted by crime heat maps rather than race heat maps, Surtur is 100% correct and the idea that Stop and Frisk policies are usually racist becomes another one of the false myths.

However, I do not have the time to do a dive into something like this. Nor do I care to do a heat map comparison to find out if this is racist or not. I will take the lazy way out and continue to tell people that, in general, stop and frisk policies are racist and should be stopped. They violate the 4th amendment rights, as well, which is far far more important than finding drugs on a black man. FYI, to my British friend (Whirly), stop and frisk is an illegal search and seizure. They must have probable cause or a warrant before they can stop and frisk someone. Being poor and black is not probable cause.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I mean...I thought my point was rather obvious.


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I'll do better to explain myself, next time.


In Surtur's defense (he doesn't need me to white knight him but I'm doing it anyway), I think he's talking about probability of encounter by race. You'll have poorer neighborhoods that get patrolled more often due to crime because they are poor. Poorer neighborhoods have far more blacks than in suburbs. So the stop and frisk statistics might be another "victim" of population density and poverty statistics rather than a true racist policy. A way to measure and control for this is to check on a "sister city" that has similar population density and crime but a much smaller concentration of black population (in other words, look for a "whiter" city). If stop and frisk activities are better predicted by crime heat maps rather than race heat maps, Surtur is 100% correct and the idea that Stop and Frisk policies are usually racist becomes another one of the false myths.

However, I do not have the time to do a dive into something like this. Nor do I care to do a heat map comparison to find out if this is racist or not. I will take the lazy way out and continue to tell people that, in general, stop and frisk policies are racist and should be stopped. They violate the 4th amendment rights, as well, which is far far more important than finding drugs on a black man. FYI, to my British friend (Whirly), stop and frisk is an illegal search and seizure. They must have probable cause or a warrant before they can stop and frisk someone. Being poor and black is not probable cause.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, he didn't read it, only skimmed

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Guys, we were having good convo with adult stuff and you brought it back to the stupid back and forth petty crap again.

You can still have your petty differences by try to avoid descending into post after post of poop slinging.

That next time I see you guys do this, I'll start issue bans.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, he didn't read it, only skimmed

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Originally posted by mike brown
I could be wrong but I thought stop and frisk was only in New York.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, he didn't read it, only skimmed

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I have no interest in calling you wrong but there are a ton of states with laws like these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_...entify_statutes


They fall into the broader category of "Stop and Identify" laws.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
He may have. I gave Surtur a huge out if someone with an immense amount of time wants to the the statistics on it. It's possible that thousands of us are wrong about stop and frisk.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Possible sure, not likely.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I have no interest in calling you wrong but there are a ton of states with laws like these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_...entify_statutes


They fall into the broader category of "Stop and Identify" laws.

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Originally posted by steverules_2
Rob when did you have gender reassingment?

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Originally posted by Robtard
Hai guys, new here. I'm Roberta Tardis and I just transitioned into a tranny.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Jul 27th, 2005:

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Originally posted by Robtard
Hai guys, new here. I'm Roberta Tardis and I just transitioned into a tranny.