No statements from any creators are canonical in and of themselves, and I wasn't disputing that Ventress defeated Grievous because that's not mutually exclusive with the Dark Side Nexus of Dathomir empowering her. Can I see the exact wording of Filoni's comments of their fight?
Director commentary is usual used. Just like we use Lucas commentary of the films.
And you are right Ventress superiority being legit is not mutually exclusive with her being amped by a dark side nexus, as it just means she will win with or without that amp.
I will provide the quote later. In the meantime you can provide the quote that states Ventress was amped.
OK, I'll wait for you to retrieve Filoni's quote before I comment more on the Ventress vs Grievous fight. Force Nexuses do exist in Canon in some capacity, and Dathomir is an implied Dark Side Nexus:
^ Scroll down to the 16th image of the history gallery and you'll find it.
So the official SW site describes Dathomir as being "steeped in Dark Side powers," which sounds like a description of a Dark Side Nexus, so the Nightsister inhabitants would logically be empowered beyond their regular abilities. This is confirmed by Maul:
Maul says that the witches i.e. another term for the Nightsisters, had a connection with the planet that made them strong, and we know that Ventress is a nightsister:
This is also shown in the show itself, when Mother Talzin says "She is one of us," to the other Nightsisters that attacked Ventress without realising what she was, and Dooku also knows this, hence why he says "Savage, you could make amends for your mistake by destroying this witch!"
^ Okay thats more related to Dathomir amping Nightsisters, than it is about a dark side nexus amping dark siders.
And I agree that much is quite clear.
However unless Ventress was actually using nightsister magic, I fail to see the relevance. She was a trained force user (more so in the dark side), and wasnt well versed in nightsister magic as far as we know.
And Even as a dark sider, she already seemed to be on her path to redemption by that point.
Anyway will post Filonis later when im on my laptop (hardly ever post on KMC from a laptop anymore).
SW.com describes it as being “steeped in Dark Side powers,” meaning that it is strong with the Dark Side of the Force. A Dark Sider like Ventress would definitely be empowered by a planet like that. And Ventress was still a homicidal Dark Sider when she fought Grievous on Dathomir.
Steeped in dark side powers can mean a variety things. Like all the weird ass magic they do.
In any case darksiders getting a combat amp because a planet is steeped in the dark side has not been confirmed anywhere in canon. Though it does apply to Legends.
Also what homicidal behaviour did we see from her at that point?
Yes but it clearly means that it's strong with the Dark Side of the Force, hence why it says "Dark Side powers". A planet with powers described like that would evidently empower Force users that use the Dark Side because Dark Siders not only have their own strength to draw on (anger, hatred, malice etc.) but also the planet's Dark Side powers.
That doesn't actually help your point, but helps mine because the nature of Nightsister magic is really similiar to Sith sorcery, hence why Talzin's magic transformed Savage into a massive hate filled Dark Side warrior:
As the official SW site says, Savage became filled with hate and and Dark Side as a result of Talzin's magic.
I'd say it does because absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence, mainly because that Canon is using Legends to flesh out their own lore. Filoni and his creative team may not pay attention to Force Nexuses and how they work, but the Rebels creative team are only a small number of the Lucasfilm staff who are involved in Star Wars projects, so the notion of them failing to realise Force Nexuses and stuff doesn't rule it out.
Maul's performance against the Inqs in Rebels was >>> Ahsoka's, and considering Maul was holding back, trying to appear feeble (why would he say he can't kill Vader alone but turn on his teammates?) as well as it being "the logical choice" to send him with Ezra (the weakest Jedi) is evident of his superiority to her. Ahsoka's performance against Vader is something Ventress cannot replicate.
So who does use Dark Side nexus to boost combat abilities in canon? Which Author has stated that in which canon novel or comic?
It's not just Filoni, but also Pablo Hidalgo and Matt Smith. IOW even the Story Group hasn't given it much thought, yet you're acting as if it's canon that Ventress only beat Grievous due to some major amp
In any case here is Filoni's commentary of the fight:
"I still don't believe that, at this point -- one-to-one -- that Grievous could really take out someone like Ventress in a lightsaber fight."
Now I don't want you twisting his commentary of his. You can make the argument that not everything he says is necessarily canon, but if you twist his words to pretend he didn't actually mean Ventress is better than Grievous in sabers when that's exactly what he said, then I'm done here.
Dark Siders would use it because they use the Dark Side of the Force and a nexus gives them more of that :/
None from what I'm aware (if you're talking about Dathomir), I'm going by holistic intent, not statements, because canon takes inspiration from Legends a lot, to the point they reprint stuff from Legends stuff into Canon stuff e.g. Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force.
I don't think it's factual that Ventress was amped in canon but it's likely. And when Pablo Hidalgo was asked about if Vader was empowered by Malachor on twitter, he said it's possible but didn't confirm it or disconfirm it.
Filoni has made himself clear in that article, but in his statement he says that "I still don't believe" that Grievous would beat Ventress, so it's his arbitrary opinion as he explicitly says. Leland Chee IIRC, has said that the opinions of SW officials aren't canon because they have their own biases, and Filoni's incredulity sounds biased.
I just rewatched the Ventress/Kenobo vs Maul/Opress battle on the YouTube and noticed Ventress seemed to hold her own against Maul whenever they battled. I don't know if fighting with one lightsaber affected her ability because her style relies on two sabers.
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If you're going to argue that fighting with one lightsaber affected her ability, then I can also argue the same thing for Maul because there are multiple quotes indicating that Maul is better than two blades than 1 blade, one source i.e. Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force, even saying that Maul finds a single blade "far too limiting" to be blunt. Moreover, you're also neglecting to mention that version of Maul i.e. TCW S4 Maul, is inferior to his TPM self, let alone his SoD self, because it's the first lightsaber fight he's been in for 12 years, so he's barely gotten over ring rust in that episode, and throughout the course of TCW, much of his growth is basically shaking of 12 years of rust, it's only when Maul has taken over Mandalore that he has finally surpassed his TPM self. Morever, the same version of Maul in that fight, is fighting with a pair of chicken legs that were explicitly stated to be inferior to his mandalorian legs because these chicken legs hampered Maul's ability to incorporate martial arts and acrobatics in his fighting style, whereas Maul's mandalorian legs didn't, given that they had the same build as his organic Zabrack legs prior to being separated. SoD Maul > TPM Maul > TCW S4 Maul.
StarWars.com also states that both Ventress and Savage were overwhelmed by the "raw power" of Maul and Savage, which is why they retreated, meaning that if they hadn't retreated, they would've eventually died, and considering the fact that Ventress and Maul were fighting each other in the final moments of the battle, this means that Maul would've eventually overwhelmed Ventress through "raw power" if she hadn't retreated.
Ok I see you seem to think that I think Ventress wins, which I don't.
1. I didn't say it effected just that maybe it did(and I knew you'd come back with Maul only using a single blade).
2. So your saying an inferior S4 Maul can overpower a Jedi Master Kenobi? Because I recall Kenobi doing just fine against these two by himself and even chopping Savages arm off.
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1. Cool. If it did affect Ventress, the same would apply to Maul.
2. No? Which version of "Jedi Master" Kenobi are you talking about? Kenobi in S5 beat Maul and Savage through an environmental advantage that limited the brother's movements, which is Sokan use on Obi-Wan's part. Plus, Kenobi was using Jar Kai at that point, which is optimized for multiple opponents.
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