1. That a Herc measures nothing more than the mythological/mystical levels of a person/item.
2. It has nothing to do with the physical power behind an attack - Ares and Hercules would measure as 1 Herc, WBH at his angriest is 0.21 Hercs (having stomped someone measuring 17 Hercs) and 10,0000 DS Sentries and Gladiators stacked would measure as 0 Hercs.
3. This means that in a thread with Hulk vs a non-magical/mystical attack, Hulk surviving Hope's internal attack means nothing.
It does mean something in inverse. But the math would have to be done. As a physical substance, the Hulk resisted that force. Now do the math on what that force measured.
I don't understand - and I don't know how it can be done. Hence, my position - that we cannot calculate it, therefore it is meaningless as a physical force.
You'd calculate it in inverse. We know that mythological creatures can affect the physical universe, which is what Hercules, Zeus, and a newly transformed Fin Fang Foom, who was made that way by the mythical waters of the mythical Well. He ceased being a natural creature, and became a mythical one like Perseus, or Achiles. Power type does not matter. What matters is their potential effects on a physical environment, and how much of that physical environment would be displaced from an assault from them. This registers in as Hercs.
We could fairly assume for example; that one Herc would be equal to 1/10th of Hercules' total power, because of the reference source which clearly defines what a Herc is. Therfore, we could assume that 1/10th of his body mass is the equivalent of one Herc in terms of total power yield used to displace the physical environment. We would then divide the Herc level by that number and get an accurate description of how powerful the mythological creature is in comparison to the mythical Hercules.
This has nothing to do with how powerful a natural creature like the Hulk is. That number is what the Hulk physically resisted in a relatively calm state though.
Reading this made me think "wow, calculating hercs as a physical force is like when socialists argue you can have enterprise without cost calculation." which, is funny to me because people who argue for socialism require an unquantifible, supernatural figure.
Meh, then one might as well pick a number to suit their ends.
Someone wanting to low-ball can say it's only 1/100th, or 1/1000th.
Certainly, if we were using the heat analogy, the maximum heat energy I radiate off my body (or Tyson or Ali, whatever) as I punch is certainly much less than the kinetic energy at the end of Tyson's fist.
And when it comes to heralds, the analogy obviously breaks down, but not in the way you would hope. Because we have zero idea of how mythological Hercules is, lol. I mean, we can work out how much heat energy a human radiates, and measure Tyson's punch, and then form a relationship - but even metas like Luke Cage, for example, punch far more in excess of the heat they produce (now imagine Blue Marvel, for example).
So if, for example, I worked out that a normal human radiates heat that's equal to 10% of their punch's kinetic energy.....scaling that up to Blue Marvel (as an example) would mean he's radiating thousands of degrees, lol.
And as you say, if a Herc is a measure of how mythological beings influence the physical world....Ares and Herc etc don't exactly melt their surroundings just by standing there, so the Hercs they radiate must be absolutely tiny.
You would have to be willing to ignore the hundreds of feats that the mythical Immortal Hercules has accomplished. Physically moving the island of Manhattan is a direct example of Hercules using 90 to 100% of all that his entire body can generate in terms of physical force. I'm just reminding you of what the definition of a Herc means, and without moving the goalposts, we automatically assume that other mythical beings are able to launch physical attacks as well. One Herc is for all intents and purposes an action word, or verb. What is a Herc again? A physical action. We have entire examples of what The Gift that Hercules can give is. This isn't as complicated as you've made it.
Now if he's using 90 to 100% of of his entire body in order to move the island of Manhattan, what % of his body is being used to launch a serious full punch? Well his legs come into play, the arm launching the punch, his abs, glutes, and a portion of his lats. That would actually appear to be slightly more than 10% of his relevant potential body mass. It would be closer to 25%. So how much force would Hercules be able to generate if he were approximately 75% weaker? How much real estate would he be able to diplace? Again; we assume that other mythical beings are capable of generating force, and are fully capable of attacking, and, we were given the definition of what a Herc is and it's an action, or verb.
You're back to saying it's a physical action. It's not.
When Tyson punches (or let's use the world's strongest man, whatever...) the heat energy he radiates is tiny relative to the kinetic energy at the end of his fist.
When Herc punches, the magical energy he radiates is tiny relative to the kinetic energy of his fist.
It's really not complicated, despite you trying to make it sound complicated. Cosimo specifically said what energy she is measuring, and her sentence was split into two by people who didn't read the full comic.
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Get a mod ruling. Define what a Herc is, which was clear as day. It was defined as being a punch. What is a punch? An action, a physical one right? A verb. Are you in the phucking twilight zone? Listen get the ruling after your spiel, phuck this shit i'm out.
Never defined as a punch, but the energy radiated when he punches, as a mythological being.
Just like when Tyson, a guy famed for his punching power, punches, he radiates heat energy like all human beings. The maximum energy he gives off is a Tyson.
Has no relation to his punching power, and I am pretty certain I can withstand the body heat given off by him. But certainly not the physical punch.
2. That a Herc measures nothing more than the mythological/mystical levels of a person/item.
3. It has nothing to do with the physical power behind an attack - Ares and Hercules would measure as 1 Herc, WBH at his angriest is 0.21 Hercs (having stomped someone measuring 17 Hercs) and 10,0000 DS Sentries and Gladiators stacked would measure as 0 Hercs.
4. This means that in a thread with Hulk vs a non-magical/mystical attack, Hulk surviving Hope's internal attack means nothing as we cannot relate the magical attack to a physical attack. Cosimo specifically said it was only the magical radiation she was measuring . The heat given off by Tyson as he max punches is far far lower in terms of destructive energy compared to being at the receiving end of his maximum all out punch. In ratio terms,the radiation given off by Hercules is even lower than that compared to his top physical feats.
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