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The fight is barely anything at all. It's just two bladelocks and a moment where Talzin bumrushes Mace. Pretty sure the only reason she's keeping up is because of force augmentation not due to skill.
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Why is that even a thing. Kenobi is struggling in the entire fight and then Anakin underestimates Kenobi because he's gone insane, it was always very clear to me.
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I thought Kenobi beat Anakin because he was intimately familiar with his fighting style and knew exactly what to expect. And also because Anakin was overconfident at the end.
Pretty sure someone posted the quote not long ago.
watch ROTS all the evidence is there that Sidious threw the fight against Mace in order to turn Anakin
1. he kets Anakin tell the council who he is
2. he goads Anakin telepathically about his wife dying moments before the Jedi confront hime
3. hes able to kill two Jedi before Mace can even react and killed another while duelling them both so hes clearly faster than Mace here
4. at one point he has mace dead to right at blade point and allows him to recover
5. the moment Sidious' blade gets kicked out of his hand and he starts backpedaling from Mace is the exact moment Anakin walks into visual range
6. often overlooked is that Mace actually wanted to arrest Palpatine at first, only AFTER Sidious' lightning barrage did Mace decide to kill him outright which is why Sidious pressed the attack, in order to push Anakin into a right now choice
taking the novel into account, Sidious had set up audio recording once the Council confronted him in order to set them up, the entire thing was clearly a set up to accomplish two things; force Anakins decision make the Jedi look like aggressors looking to overthrow an elected leader
GL says Mace "overpowers" Palpatine but in the same breath goes on to describe Sidious feigning weakness iirc his quote as I can't seem to find it verbatim anywhere right now
Yeah, he says that he overpowered him by kicking his saber out the window, and then he started feigning weakness when Anakin arrived.
Could just mean he let himself get overpowered. I mean, the scene was filmed a bunch of times, each time showing Palpy taking out all the masters more quickly. In fact, the novel even says that Palpatine's lightning was "too much for Vaapad." He could have blasted them all with lightning before they even pulled out their sabers considering he can read their minds and "forsee" the future. The intention seems pretty clear to me, Palpy let Windu win.
If I remember the quote correctly Lucas said Palpatine "exaggerated" his weakness, implying he was indeed somewhat weak in that moment, not just pretending.
I would still argue there's room for interpretation there, just as with the "overpowered' one. And I would lead you to my previous comment to address why it's likely Sidious did fake it all.
That being said, Sidious could have overwhelmed Windu with the force after being disarmed if Anakin didn’t show up. Remember that Yoda disarmed Sidious too. Difference is that Anakin wasn’t there for Sidious to manipulate.
Last edited by xPRIMEx on Apr 5th, 2020 at 04:01 AM
Point is, even though Mace may be able to beat Sidious in a saber battle, Sidious is still far more powerful in the force and wins in an all out fight.
Apr 2nd, 2020 02:09 AM
