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Galan007
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My interpretation is that Luke being the son of the chosen one (so a Skywalker) had enormous potential and can became what his father was meant to be in the sense that he can surpass the emperor which suit Vader aparently can't. The true potential of his bloodline in Luke's case might not mean Anakin level, but still more than enough for Sidious.

Having Skywalker potential is a way to say enormous potential since even diluted by a generation or two, the potential would still be greater than pretty much anyone else (maybe with some odd exceptions like Rey because of the dyad)
Palpatine's comment heavily implies that Luke's potential was on par with Anakin's in the context of that scene, imo. He doesn't just specify that Luke(in particular) could surpass him or w/e... He mentions that Luke could reach the true potential of his entire bloodline.

To me, "bloodline" is just a blanket term for "Skywalkers." So the "true potential" of the Skywalker bloodline means Anakin by proxy, imo... Same with Legends, where GL commented that Luke had the potential to become what Anakin could have been.

I take the statement about Kylo being the "heir to the potential of the Skywalker line" the same basic way, tbh. /shrug

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Rey's unprecedented potential quote is from the insider. Matt Martin said that the insiders are not reviewed by the story group and are editorial like the blog section on Starwars.com. So the quote doesn't have much canon value.
Martin wasn't even aware of several major revelations from the RoS novelization after it was released. Suffice to say, I don't exactly trust his Tweets these days... Seems like the guy often doesn't really know wtf is happening.

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You are right that Luke's quote likely refers to potential, but it's unclear if he refers to everyone he ever met or only his students (the context was him teaching Rey), and he never met Anakin pre Mustafar anyway. ROTJ Luke is also not the most masterful force user so i don't know how good he was at sensing raw power back then.

This is possibly proof of Vader losing potential after Mustafar btw.
Don't get me wrong, power and potential are typically treated as two different things(Anakin, for example, had the *potential* to become vastly more *powerful* than he was.)

But in some cases(like with Luke's comments about Rey and Kylo in TLJ), latent/raw power also implies massive potential that had evidently surpassed what Luke had previously encountered.


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Obviously I'm not saying that my interpretation is the only valid one.
I'm just inclined towards it because of the Mortis stuff.
Your interpretation is certainly valid. thumb up

Just giving my two cents is all.


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I feel we both presented our opinions well enough. I don't think there is a point continuing this. Besides, this is still a Kylo Ren respect thread and we derailed it enough.

Just one thing about Martin. While he can be clueless about some new story beats (he said he didn't work on the movie/novel) he should still be reliable about "is this canon?" type of question since it is his job and his area of expertise.

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Fair enough. thumb up

And sorry about the derail, Prime.


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All good!

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Galan you might wanna reword that, cause he himself didn't wipe out the world and in all honesty I don't think the world was even harmed, it's just the strange artwork, I don't really see any reason why he would have the world wiped out and leave his men to die. In fact from the first panel, it looks like he headed to that one place down in the right, not that purple planet, cause they look exactly identical in color scheme.


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The planet was shown a few different times before that, and it was perfectly normal/intact:
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Cut to the final page, and the world is literally on fire:
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We weren't shown *how* it happened, but it definitely happened.


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The planet was shown a few different times before that, and it was perfectly normal/intact:
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Cut to the final page, and the world is literally on fire:
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We weren't shown *how* it happened, but it definitely happened.


Given that the planet changes color twice, how do you know that it's even on fire there and it's not just another color change?


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Because in the first two panels it's not on fire, but in the last panel it is?


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It’s pretty clear that he wiped out the planet:

“I wonder if there will be anyone left to follow”

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Because in the first two panels it's not on fire, but in the last panel it is?


Which you're sure that's fire? Because from the looks of it, the ship is already leaving while the planet was on fire from the panel.

I'm just skeptical on this as being something of razing a planet because the way it's presented is just completely strange.


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Doesn’t make any sense but whatever


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Yeah, The planet was definitely wiped out somehow. Though the entire scene doesnt make much sense


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Which you're sure that's fire? Because from the looks of it, the ship is already leaving while the planet was on fire from the panel.

I'm just skeptical on this as being something of razing a planet because the way it's presented is just completely strange.
It's very strange, and I can't explain it.

But yeah, I'd say the planet is definitely on fire.


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What comic is that from?

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SW Adventures #2.


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