You do realize that feats are not the only way to determine whether or not a character can accomplish a task right? Narration can also be used. WB Hulk had access to infinite power (how do your words on this change that?). He was able to harness that power at will by going into a meditative state (Ref. Planet Hulk). We know that neither 1 or 4 are infinite in weight, or durability. The Hulk lost the knowledge to fully harness the source of his powers only after Dr. Doom performed brain surgery on him. Your claim deviates from what was written into canon.
Why do you think that the Green Scar persona was absent during the latest issues of the Immortal Hulk? Because Doom removed that portion of his brain, or memory per Banner's request..
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Now, here's the issue with that, Yeah they haul stars but stars have immense amounts of heat, The chains were unbreakable to the people who made them. That leaves a wide birth between how strong they are and the strength of the chains. There's also the properties of the chains that may have helped with their function that my or may not have a thing to do with durability. The story NEVER explained all that.
They'd have to withstand all the heat too. Even cold stars are around 400 degrees give or take. Theres also THE fact that stars are mostly gas with nothing to hold on to until the core so are the chains attached to a device that captures the star in an energy field or something to move them? It's not explained so it again leaves questions.
There's also the fact that we don't know if these are the exact chains or the same type, it's not that cut and dry. It's clear that the device was mad to hold Superman right there on panel. Can you explain how the apparatus holding him would have the same function as pulling a star? This was clearly the hyperbolic part of the statement, you'd have to pay attention to catch that though.
I mean, he hae the clap. And not just any clap, The "thunder" clap.
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No seriously though, H1, How did it hold it? Was it absorbing or shunting energy elsewhere? This would be needed just to even get through to the actual solid part of the star. The chains clearly aren't that long to reach the distance it would take to reach something solid to hold on to a star. Besides all that the fact that a star is in open space where things are have a different weight factor than their mass suggests. For all we know pulling a star could be the equivalent of a few hundred tons once the other forces involved are negated.
Stars are very dense. Their cores are even more dense.
Besides that we appeal to the suspension of disbelief and assume it was technologically possible.
Otherwise no feat can be explained. For example
1. A character can't lift a 50 ton object without sinking into the ground.
2. A character can't throw an object heavier than them because the frictional force on their feet is too low.
3. A character like Superman or Surfer can't fly due to the violation of the 3rd law of motion (nothing to push against).
suspension of belief is fine as long the there's no rules established to that point. Stars are still gas balls with liquid like plasma and anything solid being deep within unless they are cold stars which would make the feat a little different.
The three main feats have easily explained rules.
1. Depends on the foundation. Skyscrapers weight hundreds of tons but you never see them sink in and if they do it's a process that takes decades to happen.
2. If a character can produce the force to throw something heavier than itself then it's very possible.
3. There's been solid reasoning behind characters flying even if it's a fantasy one. Superman generates any electromagnetic field that he can propel himself with. Silver surfer has the **** all power cosmic that he can use to change scientific laws with.
You're arguments are pathetic. How do they move a planet without damaging entire continents.
When Hyperion caught a planet going 500k MPH at a dead stop why didn't everyone on the planet die instantly. This happens all the time in comics but you chose to ignore this when it concerns superman and you have to question everything. Size, weight, hollow, now nothing to hold on to, stars don't weight anything in space. Lol
Anyway, The chains are used to haul stars, they can create a forcefield around it and use the chains to tow. Like how GL did with earth while WW And Superman towed it.
we don't know how strong the chains are. I explained it the last time, It's called tensile strength. Spider webs have ten times the tensile strength of steel. Tensile strength would not require these chains be forged if unbreakable metal. At all.
You seem to not understand that tensile strength and durability of the material a rope/chain are forged from are not the same. At all
You're making it all one factor and that's unequivocally wrong. For instance, steel folded once to make a sword is weaker than the exact same amount of steel folded ten times to make a sword.
You use calculations that are wrong because HOW a thing is constructed has as much or more to do with it's strength than the durability of the base material. And besides, we KNOW the guy lied. Zatana was taking out MULTIPLE robots that this dude claimed are faster and stronger than Clark. Like, there's a million ways to disprove this.
if it's stated to be unbreakable and it's broken then it's not unbreakable and thus making it a hyperbole because any writers can write that X is stronger than Y. Further, with the "hardest metal in the universe" it could be just the hardest metal CURRENTLY known in the universe at the moment and there might be other metals harder.
Stop with the stupidity, let's say those chains were squishy like a rope but when superman broke theme did he use his heat vision, freeze breath? A knife? Or a hammer, I mean his fists? No, He broke them by overcoming the chains tensile strength because he was tied up/chained.
Those chains dont crumble or shatter under pressure of trillions of stellar mass or from the heat of blue stars and has tensile strength tow stars between galaxies. Everything you say counters your own argument. You like to talk about debunking, only debunking you're doing is that of your own lowballing arguments.
notice how you just came back to the concept of me saying there's probably other factors involved besides the strength of the chains? If they could reach all the way through the planet to grab the core and pull it that would be one thing. A forcefield covering the planet lessens feat of them being stronger enough to pull planets by a lot considering the forcefield protects them from heat and the ships propulsion is doing the other part.
But you're still pulling the planet. The load of pulling a planet is still same. You have chains around a 500lb dumbell and you pull it up to your second floor balcony, will the chains have a lighter load if you put the dumbell in a box and try to pull it up? How will putting a forcefield around a star lessen it's weight?
You wanted an explanation I gave you one way of doing it. In comics they could have easily wrapped the chains around the stars and pulled.
The fact of the matter is they can pull steller mass FTL and withstand heat of blue stars.
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If something is dense enough then one can move it with force by physical contact. Dense objects act like solids (like jello).
1.People lift over 50 ton objects all the time on normal ground. Their is no real ground where you won't sink.
2. Wrong. Newton's 3rd law states that you need something to throw against. You need frictional force on your feet. The frictional force will always be less that required. Spidey and Namor sling tanks away as if they have over 100 tons of frictional force on their feet. Hulk throwing dragons to the moon. Characters throw, jump, and hit shit into space. That would absolutely leave a huge crater in the Earth.
3. Wrong again. You must push against something in order to go forward.
You can't change the 3rd law of motion. It's an impossibility.
I've already done that. Pretty pictures aren't the only things that are needed as proof. I also suggested that you read Planet Hulk through to the Heart of the Monster. Will you? Doubtful.
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