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ozz81
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Darth Vader vs Sidious ( See details)

Both at peak who will win in a light saber duel only?

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Sidious, beat the Zabrak bros with ease, carved up 3 Council members in seconds; did the same thing after the formation of the Empire where he cut down several Jedi with one swipe in his throne room, in the novel Lords of the Sith, Vader was taken aback and amazed and the speed and dexterity with which Sidious dispatched the Lyle nest and that was all well before his prime power

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Sidious should stomp

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Vader is better than Sidious in sabers. I feel like that's a well-known fact that canon established.

However, as we've seen in the comics, Sidious doesn't need (nor would he) use a lightsaber to defeat Vader.

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Where is Vader confirmed to be a better lightsaber duelist than Palpatine in canon? Not that stupid magazine that lists "5 red lightsaber wielders", surely?


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Where is Vader confirmed to be a better lightsaber duelist than Palpatine in canon? Not that stupid magazine that lists "5 red lightsaber wielders", surely?


Well, for starters it's a book. And a book that is published as official canon. You don't have to like it, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

By no means am I saying Vader would stomp Sidious in an all out. He's just the greater duelist. Unless there's something new that contradicts this.

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Theres nothing that contradicts it.


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Feats, but yeah.


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TROS Sidious probably one shots tbf

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Unless ESB Palpatines Saber skills have gone to complete shit, he would win. All that power in the force will enhance his speed and strength to stupid levels.

Also I like how everyone likes quoting the top 5 red duelists as proof that Vader is better than Sidious in Sabers, but none of those same people take it as fact that Maul would best Dooku in Sabers, or heck even Ventress beat Kylo. I would personally be perfectly happy with that list, but its funny how people pick and choose.

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The list would be outdated for all of Kylo's new feats anyway it's quite old iirc.

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Originally posted by Darthadi
The list canonicity is dubious.

https://mobile.twitter.com/authorad...900429505253376
The Tweet you posted is dubious, though: "I believe"... "To my recollection." Certainly doesn't come off as authoritative by any stretch.

I know people like to go the Tweet route for things like this, but even Matt Martin has said on more than one occasion that Tweets are not canonical in and of themselves -- published material always takes precedence:
https://i.imgur.com/jeFfjrT.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/2N8lfor.jpg

That said, the list also says "Top 5 red lightsaber wielders", followed by each character receiving a specific numerical entry, from 1-5. Doesn't seem like the placements were meant to be 'randomized' to me. /shrug

But if you choose not to believe that, I get it. You're certainly not the first person who has ever disagreed with the order. thumb up

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The list would be outdated for all of Kylo's new feats anyway it's quite old iirc.
It was released just before TFA.


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Unless ESB Palpatines Saber skills have gone to complete shit, he would win. All that power in the force will enhance his speed and strength to stupid levels.

Also I like how everyone likes quoting the top 5 red duelists as proof that Vader is better than Sidious in Sabers, but none of those same people take it as fact that Maul would best Dooku in Sabers, or heck even Ventress beat Kylo. I would personally be perfectly happy with that list, but its funny how people pick and choose.

The list was made before TFA was released which is why Kylo isn’t on it. His abilities were still unknown.

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Yeah it sounds like the author isn’t even sure if it’s supposed to be in order, I wouldn’t place too much stock in it.

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The list was made before TFA was released which is why Kylo isn’t on it. His abilities were still unknown.



It was part of the Journey to Force Awakens.

Had a picture of Kylo in the background.

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Indeed, but the movie hadn’t been released yet and his abilities were still unknown.

It’s also not up to date on TLJ and ROS.

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The author even says “the 5 best in canon at the time the book was published”

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Yeah, it would only pertain to the level Kylo was intended to be operating at when TFA was originally released.


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Originally posted by xPRIMEx
The author even says “the 5 best in canon at the time the book was published”


He was canon at the time though.

Look i dont buy into that list anyway. Im a Maul fan but Im not convinced Maul takes Dooku in Sabers just because of that list.

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