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Was Afghanistan all for nothing?

It's frustrating to watch the country being slowly retaken by the vile Taliban, after nearly 20 years of Western forces trying to fix and modernize that place. They have just been waiting for us to leave all this time, and the new government still can't handle the place on their own.

Thoughts?


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occupying that country has historically been proven to be a 10/10 waste of time, unfortunately


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Re: Was Afghanistan all for nothing?

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after nearly 20 years of Western forces trying to fix and modernize that place.



This right here was the problem.

You cant go in with guns and air strikes claiming you know whats better for them.

The reason the Taliban are taking over so easily is because they have mass support behind them.

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I never agreed with the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - because of the big lies behind it - but after 9/11 taking down Afghanistan seemed like the right thing to do, what with the terrorist's being based there and the Taliban being unwilling to turn them over. It was only then I learned how wretched and backward Taliban rule was. Maybe I was influenced by the heat and emotion of the times...

Afghanistan and Somalia have competed for Worst Place On The Planet for almost the same amount of time. Somalia has made a bit of progress only with the African Union sending their own troops in. But who in the region cares enough to send their troops in there to fix the place? Pakistan? They've never fully gotten out of their ties with the Taliban, four decades on.

What is the goal now? Isolate them like North Korea until they finally give in?

North Korea only exists because China props them up.


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Cut our losses and move on its a waste of our troops lives and billions of dollars.


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Taliban going to own all the opium again lol


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Got some good movies out of all that death. Definitely worth it.


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but after 9/11 taking down Afghanistan seemed like the right thing to do, what with the terrorist's being based there and the Taliban being unwilling to turn them over.



Firstly thats not entirely accurate. The Taliban offered to send them to a neutral Muslim country for a fair trial.

Second, invading such a poor and already war torn country was nothing short of terrorism itself, no matter the justification.

I mean its not like Afghanistan invaded America. Even the idea of that is laughable.

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Basically yes, a waste from today's perspective. Also a potential China win.

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It's frustrating to watch the country being slowly retaken by the vile Taliban, after nearly 20 years of Western forces trying to fix and modernize that place. They have just been waiting for us to leave all this time, and the new government still can't handle the place on their own.

Thoughts?



Like the man said, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.


The US showed them freedom, but they chose terrorism.


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It's frustrating to watch the country being slowly retaken by the vile Taliban, after nearly 20 years of Western forces trying to fix and modernize that place. They have just been waiting for us to leave all this time, and the new government still can't handle the place on their own.

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I've been there, some of those close to me have been there. It is complicated.

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I've been there, some of those close to me have been there. It is complicated.



Ah, so you ARE a terrorist after all.


I know full well how the failure of communism tortures radicals. Your side lost, time to accept it.


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Clinton bombed Sudan and Somalia so Al Qadda moved to Afghanistan, but, then they went to Pakistan, oh, they have like 1 nuke.


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Ah, so you ARE a terrorist after all.


I know full well how the failure of communism tortures radicals. Your side lost, time to accept it.

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Clinton bombed Sudan and Somalia so Al Qadda moved to Afghanistan, but, then they went to Pakistan, oh, they have like 1 nuke.
Pakistan have 160 warheads approximately and around 30 to 50 ICBMs that are serviceable.

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Well Obama managed it.


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Wasn't for nothing, the military got to practice war, private contractors got some coin, business interests came in and got their piece, CIA got some sweet opium to fund their dirty ops, always going to be male refugee immigrants going to western Europe for some reason, civilian contractors came in a built some stuff pretty sure they got some sweet kickbacks. War is profit.


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We must nuke nuke nixon for practice


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Wasn't for nothing, the military got to practice war, private contractors got some coin, business interests came in and got their piece, CIA got some sweet opium to fund their dirty ops, always going to be male refugee immigrants going to western Europe for some reason, civilian contractors came in a built some stuff pretty sure they got some sweet kickbacks. War is profit.


This.

Most are unable to see the forest for the trees and believe war always sin. This isn’t necessarily true and is ruse used by the weak and fallacious. War is never an optimal outcome, but sometimes the profits wrought from war far outweigh the alternatives.


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Ah, so you ARE a terrorist after all.


I know full well how the failure of communism tortures radicals. Your side lost, time to accept it.


Communism has failed every time its been tried.


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