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If it's okay to race-swap White characters, then it's okay to do it to Black ones.

Anytime a White character is race-swapped, it's okay, their race doesn't matter.

But when you mention race-swapping of a Black character, all of a sudden race is a factor.


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Just like abortion is to be defended unless talking selective sex abortions of girls.


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In Shang Chi- the character of Razorfist is played by a German-Romanian rather than an Asian. So it does happen.

What's important is that a character can be identified as race neutral. Then they can be switched race wise or gender wise.


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One problem I see is that white characters are seldom written with their whiteness at the forefront, making it easier in most cases to race swap and it not affect the story.

Black characters on the other hand, especially in the past, were mostly written to be black, do black things, have black problems and have black reactions to things, making it much more difficult to do a race swap without heavily impacting the story.


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Re: If it's okay to race-swap White characters, then it's okay to do it to Black ones.

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Anytime a White character is race-swapped, it's okay, their race doesn't matter.

But when you mention race-swapping of a Black character, all of a sudden race is a factor.



Of course. It's totally ok to change Clark Kent, Peter Parker, Steve Rogers, or The Little Mermaid into a black person but omg don't do you dare change Blade into a white person or else we gonna riot and burn shit down!!


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One problem I see is that white characters are seldom written with their whiteness at the forefront, making it easier in most cases to race swap and it not affect the story.

Black characters on the other hand, especially in the past, were mostly written to be black, do black things, have black problems and have black reactions to things, making it much more difficult to do a race swap without heavily impacting the story.


Looking at Guns Akimbo, I see another pattern.


Hollywood has way more fun with whites. They get to be buffoon, prankster, hero, comedian, cocaine snorter.


Your Black Panther or Rey or Captain Marvel is only cast as role model. Role models are boring, because they have no flaws or get to enjoy hubris's.


It wasn't always like this though, many people of color and minorities used to enjoy more comedic sides.


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Originally posted by samhain
One problem I see is that white characters are seldom written with their whiteness at the forefront, making it easier in most cases to race swap and it not affect the story.

Black characters on the other hand, especially in the past, were mostly written to be black, do black things, have black problems and have black reactions to things, making it much more difficult to do a race swap without heavily impacting the story.
Bingo! thumb up All other posts in this thread border on being driven by bigotry.

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Ranks up there with gay ppl need to be cast for gay roles, same with trans etc....all very funny, it's like the job of acting is to pretend to be other ppl......

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samhein says Black identity is erased to make them race swappable, and white identity was always suppressed (Probably because jewish writers wrote mockery's of white people)


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Ranks up there with gay ppl need to be cast for gay roles, same with trans etc....all very funny, it's like the job of acting is to pretend to be other ppl......
unless your sulu


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Looking at Guns Akimbo, I see another pattern.


Hollywood has way more fun with whites. They get to be buffoon, prankster, hero, comedian, cocaine snorter.


Your Black Panther or Rey or Captain Marvel is only cast as role model. Role models are boring, because they have no flaws or get to enjoy hubris's.


It wasn't always like this though, many people of color and minorities used to enjoy more comedic sides.
Rey and Captain Marvel are white lol. Women aren't a minority group they're 50% of the world population


Also Kevin Hart was in three films in 2019, all buffoonish comedic roles. He's not the only comedic black actor working today. What are you even talking about?
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samhein says Black identity is erased to make them race swappable, and white identity was always suppressed (Probably because jewish writers wrote mockery's of white people)



Not what I said.

Also, what's the deal with your fixation on Jews recently? I only ask because I lived with an old school friend who became a Holocaust denier among other things, and his rhetoric started out in a similar fashion, due mostly to watching youtube vids.

Genuinely asking, not looking to start a bitchy flame war with you over it, but you've been bringing Jews up a bit lately.


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Not what I said.

Also, what's the deal with your fixation on Jews recently? I only ask because I lived with an old school friend who became a Holocaust denier among other things, and his rhetoric started out in a similar fashion, due mostly to watching youtube vids.

Genuinely asking, not looking to start a bitchy flame war with you over it, but you've been bringing Jews up a bit lately.


Half joking. Mostly.


I have jewish family, and know the whole "jewish illuminati" thing is bs.


I'm just against the idea that whites against everyone else is the devil against the angels, which is totally the narrative being spun. Whites oppress, minorities are the oppressed.

I mean, if that was true why are women and asians and jews outperforming white people then? More women in education, for example.


Combine that with the "bigot card" to deflect genuine criticism. Like, say, the very real fact jews make a disproportionate number of landlords, and landlords price people out by raising rent.


You may say "So what if they're jewish". To that, I say "So what if whites are overrepresented"?


If it matter in one case, it should in the other.


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Anytime a White character is race-swapped, it's okay, their race doesn't matter.

But when you mention race-swapping of a Black character, all of a sudden race is a factor.


False. White actors were cast in roles of someone who wasn't White and no one really cares. We're not talking about20, 30 or 50+ years ago either.


So this is just another silly Klaw bait thread.


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Was just thinking the original Colonel Tigh from Battlestar Galactica was played by Terry Carter, a black man, and was replaced with Michael Hogan, a white man for the remake series, so it does happen and it will likely occur more and more over the coming decades as they start to reboot movies and shows where the black characters aren't there to be the black characters specifically.

Personally I'd love to see Peter Dinklage in a remake of Shaft but it'll just never happen.


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I'm just against the idea that whites against everyone else is the devil against the angels, which is totally the narrative being spun. Whites oppress, minorities are the oppressed


OMG so much truth

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Personally I'd love to see Peter Dinklage in a remake of Shaft but it'll just never happen.


They should call it "Haft"


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Any race can play any other race, it’s really not a big deal.


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Any race can play any other race, it’s really not a big deal.



Like John Wayne playing Genghis Khan? That was always laughable to me, might as well have Jackie Chan playing John Gotti. An actor playing a role that was previously played by someone of a different ethnicity is different to actually having people portraying different races.


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