Living Force/Unifying Force... hmm...

Ok, I have often heard people speculating about there being two sides to the Force, or at least two philosophies about it, split into those who believe in the Living Force, like Qui-Gon, and the Unifying Force, presumably being what Obi-Wan talks about in ANH, and also Yoda later on.

Indeed, Aussie sabre guy speculated that which sort you believed in set your sabre colour Iand with red being the evil colour that would measn there are only three)

I thought it was all pure speculation, until I noticed these very terms being used in Obi-Wan's bio on the Official Website, which suddenly makes the whole idea far more interesting. It says that, when referring to Obi-Wan's Master:

"Jinn, a proponent of the living Force over the more serene unifying Force, had long been a maverick in the eyes of the Jedi Council."

Anyone got any thoughts/info on this? Does it fit in with the Ghost Trick/Disappearing Trick/Midi-Chlorians? Or is it totally irrelevant?

If u believe in the unifying force wut do u believe in??

Well- and I am leapinmg into the realm of speculation here- if the Living Force is all about MCs and so on, then the Unifying Force will be all about what Ben says in ANH about it flowing through us and binding ther Universe together.

I doubt that saber color has anything to do with what force you believe in.

Luke had a green saber because GL thought it looked better agenst the desert background in Tunisa. He was going to have a blue one but it didnt look right. That small decision would throw Lukes belief from that of Yoda and Obi to the style tought by Qui Gon whom Luke never even heard of. Qui Gon got a Green sabre for the same reason as Luke did. Remember its based on GL and how it looks on film, not to any deep religious notion that he hasnt even thought of.

I also believe there will be more colors of sabres to come. If its to be believed that several dozen Jedi will fight in the arena how plain would it look to see 50 green and 50 blue sabres all on screen at once?

Yeah, I know all about the reaons why Luke's sabre was green (it was the SKY that was the problem, not the desert; blue sabre looked rubbish against sky), but then Vader as Luke's father was a change between ANH and ESB, and they are explaining that now! It is entirely plausible that GL will introduce plot reasons to expalin things done out of necessity 20 years ago and foir reasons of varierty (with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan) today; it happens all the time, you have to do something for necessity but then explain it with plot so it seems right.

It is equally plausible that he won't explain it at all, of course, and that he doesn't care.

RM has said that there are only three sabre colours. Not everyone believes him, though. In fact, the whole area is utterly open to debate at this point.

Yep, untill it comes from GL's mouth or it's onscreen then I'll believe.

Although I do have to wonder why Sandsweet aproved multiple colors for the Jedi Council toys. Purple, yellow, etc. Steve has GL's ear and one would think GL would nix anything that wasnt in the plans.

And unless we see someone make a saber, I dont think the colors will be explained.

One things for sure, we will all know in 2005 😉

Ah, well, GL's loose vetting of EU material has been a sore point before...

Meanwhile, does anyone have any comments on these potential differing Force philosophies?

Yep, I know all about the EU problems.

As for the diferent styles, I figured one has to do with the now, and one with the past and future influancing the present.

If you stay in the now, you can pick up things such as evil intent or lightsaber skils etc.

With the other you can see how events travel through time and space to see how things will differ.

Qui Gons vision had Ani bringing balance, but he wasnt rooted enought in the now to see how that would happen. Yoda was in the now abit more than the other so he couldnt see what was to happen on Bespin. Yoda and Obi coulnt see that Luke was going to survive and thus save Ani and bring him back.

Not saying you can't do one without the other, it's just harder to do.

Thats just off the top of my head, but it may be the answer.

The dissappering trick will be explained, but I think its something special that Yoda is working on and Obi finds out from him later. If you notiice Vaders reaction it's like he's never seen it before, and with all the Jedi he's to kill you'd think he's have run across it if it was related to the powers they already know.

Oh, that is pretty much my view about the trick as well, though it doesn't explain how Anakin did it... I still wonder if there is a link with the MCs. Could Force Philosophies have anything to do with this? Can't help wandering if I am making a mountain out of a molehill here, but I am still intrigued.

This is kinda off topic but a lot of people were wondering so, Obi-wan will be using a BLUE lighsaber in ep. II, Some people have been arguing over it, so As I bought my new star wars insider magazin, I saw ob1 on the cover sporting a new BLUE lighsaber. 🙂

I personally dont believe it has anything to do with the color of someones' saber.

Yah, well, like I say, the link between philosophy and colour was made by Aussie sabre guy, and is pure speculation.

Maybe it has more to do with destiny than belief. Qui Gon's belief in the living Force may have been due to the fact that he would be utterly, truly dead when he died. Obi Wan's insight into the future could have been because he was (unwittingly, until the end) a greater part of the Force itself.
As for sabre colours, I think they're only there to look pretty. I hope the Jedi don't have too much of a mixture, though. Angrier, fiery colours like red, orange and yellow should be reserved for Sith, with white, blue, green, purple, turqoise, etc being used by Jedi.

ok, i'm color blind, so you gouys will have to cross-reference for me here. in ROJ, yoda speaks of the force that "binds us". so are yoda and obi-wan's sabres the same color? but i also would like to look into the living force references later this week. also, i don't think met. count will have much to do with disappearing as in PM, obi-wan refers to anakins' count as being even higher than master yoda's. so unless there is a cut-off point, met. count shouldn't have too much of an involvement. especially since vader doesn't disappear in ROJ (i mean not undisputably, of course)

Met count? MC count you mean.

No, I was not drawing a direct link between number of MCs and the disappearing trick. I just meant the MCs had something to do with it. They ARE sentient, after all, and can communicate the will of the Force. As they created Anakin, they could be the ones who pulled him into the Force when he died.

I'm still of the mind that the MCs 'created' Ani, from "A certian point of view".

That may or may not be the full story there. We will know much more about him next year.

I did NOT see Anakin disappear.....

As for the Unifying and Living Force, I was once in an elaborate and insightful debate on TF.N about that a year ago. There was something to it, but I can't really remember what the points of view were. It was quite interesting. And perhaps it all comes down to a balance between the Living and Unifying Force, perhaps that is the balance that needs to be restored. Hence, Anakin brings balance by saving Luke: the only one who ever owned both colour light sabres. 😂 😂

hey ushgarak, that's an intresting point about the MC's puling anakin, or whom ever, back into the force and thereby disappearing. but i remember yoda and/or qui-gon saying that the mc's are in all living things. so unless some mc's and their hosts just "pass on", there would defiitely be a connection between either the frequency or magnitude of mc's and their symbiotes. i'm definitely going to have to look into this.

Thanks, Jeffrey, thought it IS just a mad idea of mine.

I'm sure no-one wants to bring up the whole Anakin disappearing debate again, though we still have more things that say he did than didn't...

Don't tempt me, Ush. 😂

Well, it's the truth. 😂 If you can assume that he had dinner because he died than you can assume that his body dissappeared because he showed up with Yoda and Ben..Isn't that enough for you?..Mr. Beardi Sir?