Couldnt Superman just drop a building on Hulk and while he struggles to hold it up he could catch Spidey, hold him in a full nelson and let Batman punch him in the face for a while while the Hulk get mad. Then when he is strong enought to go toe to toe with the man of steel he would simply throw him into the sun and they can double team the angry monster using Batman's brains and Supes powers. THE END
Originally posted by Draco69
You're assuming that Superman wouldn't zap Spidey with his heat-vision or freeze him with his freeze breath BEFORE he goes after the Hulk. It isn't that inconceivable. He can operate at near-lightspeed. Why not do the smart thing and take down one weak opponent before focusing on on the strong opponent? He wouldn't let anything happen to Batman. Speed blitz from Spider-Man? So what? Superman is leagues faster.Spidey and Hulk lack one crucial element: teamwork. Bats and Supes aren't called the World's Finest for nothing. They've been working together for years. Spidey and Hulk don't have that luxury.
And Hulk isn't likely to beat Superman. Superman is stronger (initially), faster, smarter, etc. Hulk would be hard pressed to hit Superman.
Sleeping gas always brings down the Hulk despite his healing.
Then the two could focus on each other as you have said. Like I said, it depends on Hulk's state of emotions. With the sufficient amount of rage, Supes is out of it. Without it, he's pretty much KO'ed.
Btw, why would sleeping gas make a difference to someone with pretty much the fastest healing factor in the MU, and that's the icing on the cake when you factor in his SUPERHUMAN leveled durability. If Bats tries that stuff, realistically it should make Hulk sneeze at best. But hey, however you want to look at it is fine, it's your perspective.
Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
Couldnt Superman just drop a building on Hulk and while he struggles to hold it up he could catch Spidey, hold him in a full nelson and let Batman punch him in the face for a while while the Hulk get mad. Then when he is strong enought to go toe to toe with the man of steel he would simply throw him into the sun and they can double team the angry monster using Batman's brains and Supes powers. THE END
And a scheme like that depends on the area anyway.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
[B]Well, if you put it that way, then yes, he could take Spidey out looong before he gets to Batman. Just as Hulk could take Batman out looong before he gets to Spidey.
Not likely. Superman has superspeed remember? One zap of lightspeed heat vision or just a whiff of his super-breath and Spidey goes down. It wouldn't take long. A couple seconds at the max. By the time the Hulk even begins to go towards Batman, Spider-Man is already out and Superman is starting to kick his ass.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
[B]Then the two could focus on each other as you have said. Like I said, it depends on Hulk's state of emotions. With the sufficient amount of rage, Supes is out of it. Without it, he's pretty much KO'ed.
Hulk has a 4/10 chance of beating Superman. With Batman's brains backing up Superman, Hulk chances dramatically decrease
Originally posted by StrawNilla
[B]Btw, why would sleeping gas make a difference to someone with pretty much the fastest healing factor in the MU, and that's the icing on the cake when you factor in his SUPERHUMAN leveled durability. If Bats tries that stuff, realistically it should make Hulk sneeze at best. But hey, however you want to look at it is fine, it's your perspective.
Why would it make a difference? Because that's how Hulk has been knocked out numerous times. Theoritically yes his healing factor should take care of it however it for some reason doesn't. That's how Wolverine or other heroes have managed to put him down. With sleeping gas. And Bats has a whole line of gadgets that would bother, muddle, or distract the Hulk enough for Superman to kick his Gumby ass. Sonics, neural scramblers, de-hydrant spray etc.
Originally posted by Draco69
Not likely. Superman has superspeed remember? One zap of lightspeed heat vision or just a whiff of his super-breath and Spidey goes down. It wouldn't take long. A couple seconds at the max. By the time the Hulk even begins to go towards Batman, Spider-Man is already out and Superman is starting to kick his ass.Hulk has a 4/10 chance of beating Superman. With Batman's brains backing up Superman, Hulk chances dramatically decrease
Why would it make a difference? Because that's how Hulk has been knocked out numerous times. Theoritically yes his healing factor should take care of it however it for some reason doesn't. That's how Wolverine or other heroes have managed to put him down. With sleeping gas. And Bats has a whole line of gadgets that would bother, muddle, or distract the Hulk enough for Superman to kick his Gumby ass. Sonics, neural scramblers, de-hydrant spray etc.
With Batman out of the game, depending on Hulk's anger, Hulk VS Superman could be a very interesting fight. Like I've said before, if Hulk's not all that angry or at his base level he's out of it via KO. But if you take a Hulk to the point where he is emotionally mindless into a fight with Big Blue, and I'd say Hulk's chances of taking the majority would just increase and increase, sort of like how the Energizer bunny just keeps going and going......
I'd say PIS in the form of Hulk succombing to sleeping gas shouldn't count in an actual versus fight between the two teams, it only leaves Hulk at a disadvantage when realistically it shouldn't.
Spidey is pretty much useless in this fight, and the Hulk probably knows it. He would grab the wall crawler, and hurl him as hard as he could at batman, easily killing both. He would then go after Superman and they would fight for months. Superman would continuously beat down Hulk, only to find him getting back up. Sometime the Hulk would tire down Superman. After all, he's Superman, not Perfectman. All of his traits are suped up by the red sun, not made perfect. Hulk would knock him down for the first time and all would go down hill for him from there. They would have destroyed the world fighting, but for a cause...to prove to everyone that the incredible hulk would triumph!!!
Originally posted by StrawNilla
But you forget, Hulk has never been limited to just walking over to an opponent, on his feet running he can reach speeds of 700mph (not a factor here, just to point that out), or he could simply leap over to where Batman stood. Hulk has always been gifted with the ability to leap a hefty fraction of the distance across a city in seconds. Imagine how short a time leaping a few feet forward to his opponent would take for him, Batman's fast but on his feet he has no chance of outpacing the Hulk, and aerial maneuverability has never been a strongpoint of his when it came down to fighting an enemy leagues more powerful than he tooth and nail. 1 leap forward+ 1 swat=no more Batman. It only takes a second or so.
But you also forget that Superman still operates at near-lightspeed. Spider-Man goes down before he even blinks and goes for the Hulk. Before Hulk even registers what to do, Superman has begun to attack him. Hulk's jump and Spideys' agility doesn't hold a candle to Superman. And who said that Superman even has to go straight to Spidey? He can just attack Spidey from a distance. Spidey is fried, frozen, or blown away to Ohio in nanoseconds.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
With Batman out of the game, depending on Hulk's anger, Hulk VS Superman could be a very interesting fight. Like I've said before, if Hulk's not all that angry or at his base level he's out of it via KO. But if you take a Hulk to the point where he is emotionally mindless into a fight with Big Blue, and I'd say Hulk's chances of taking the majority would just increase and increase, sort of like how the Energizer bunny just keeps going and going......
Batman isn't out of the game. Superman won't let that happen. Spidey goes down first by distance attack anyway. As I said before Hulk isn't likely to win. In a recent battle with Doomsday, he couldn't even hit Superman because of his superior speed. Hell he even vibrated through his attacks. Hulk won't be able to hit him.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
I'd say PIS in the form of Hulk succombing to sleeping gas shouldn't count in an actual versus fight between the two teams, it only leaves Hulk at a disadvantage when realistically it shouldn't.
Unfortnately this "PIS" has been happening since he first came out. Sleeping gas is the Hulk's krypotonite. For some reason his healing factor cannot counteract it no matter how angry he gets.
Superman and Batman are a team. They've been working together for years. They know how to fight together and how to react to each other. Batman wouldn't go down like you like him to because Superman in their battles together always protects him. He protects Batman and Batman tells him what to do. That's how they operate. Spidey and Hulk would be like a drunken Homer Simpson as a team.
Originally posted by CRAZYJOEDAVOLA
Spidey is pretty much useless in this fight, and the Hulk probably knows it. He would grab the wall crawler, and hurl him as hard as he could at batman, easily killing both. He would then go after Superman and they would fight for months. Superman would continuously beat down Hulk, only to find him getting back up. Sometime the Hulk would tire down Superman. After all, he's Superman, not Perfectman. All of his traits are suped up by the red sun, not made perfect. Hulk would knock him down for the first time and all would go down for him from there. They would have destroyed the world fighting, but for a cause...to prove to everyone that the incredible hulk would triumph
For months? Not likely. It would last for hours at the most. If for some odd plot induced reason, Superman cannot win. He'll just fly to the Sun amp up his abilities to the max and destroy the Hulk.
Originally posted by Draco69
But you also forget that Superman still operates at near-lightspeed. Spider-Man goes down before he even blinks and goes for the Hulk. Before Hulk even registers what to do, Superman has begun to attack him. Hulk's jump and Spideys' agility doesn't hold a candle to Superman. And who said that Superman even has to go straight to Spidey? He can just attack Spidey from a distance. Spidey is fried, frozen, or blown away to Ohio in nanoseconds.Batman isn't out of the game. Superman won't let that happen. Spidey goes down first by distance attack anyway. As I said before Hulk isn't likely to win. In a recent battle with Doomsday, he couldn't even hit Superman because of his superior speed. Hell he even vibrated through his attacks. Hulk won't be able to hit him.
Unfortnately this "PIS" has been happening since he first came out. Sleeping gas is the Hulk's krypotonite. For some reason his healing factor cannot counteract it no matter how angry he gets.
Superman and Batman are a team. They've been working together for years. They know how to fight together and how to react to each other. Batman wouldn't go down like you like him to because Superman in their battles together always protects him. He protects Batman and Batman tells him what to do. That's how they operate. Spidey and Hulk would be like a drunken Homer Simpson as a team.
With Batman out of the way, it depends on Hulk's anger on whether or not he'll be able to handle Supes. If Supes decides to take the fight this way and that however, then it's a different story entirely.
And I still won't justify PIS in the form of Hulk succombing to sleeping gas. If realisically sleeping gas should be nigh ineffective against him, then that's how it should be in a versus fight.
And I think calling Spidey and Hulk as a team a drunken Homer Simpson is an underestimation. There's alot of potential between these two. With Hulk's brawn and Spidey's brains as well as his ability to think on his feet to use his surroundings to his advantage while putting his other abilities into play (abilities out of reach of Batman physically by miles and miles), the two paired together could be a force to be reckoned with with amany powerful threats.
Originally posted by kgkg
Hulk vs Superman – Superman would winSpiderman vs Batman – Spiderman would win most fights.
Now Batman has the ability to beat hulk, but Spiderman can’t do jack shit to Superman.
So Superman and Batman are the winners
A Spidey/Batman fight depends on prep time and Batman's resources. In any non prep fight between the two, I would cast my vote for Spidey everytime. The only way Batman handles Supes is with kryptonite, yet, any Batman/Superman fight can be used in an argument over who would win in a non prep fight between Bats and Spidey. Spidey has no exploitable weaknesses, factor that in with an advnatage in pretty much every physical aspect, and you've got yourself an old-fashioned curbstomp courtesy of Spidey if the two were ever angry and met on the sidewalk.
And a Batman/Hulk fight, in my opinion, should virtually never go in Batman's favor.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
It only takes a second to leap to Hulk's side and a second only if Hulk decides to swat Bats as he comes. It depends on the timing, if Hulk tries it as the starting bell then he could easily dispose of Batman as Supes disposes of Spidey. The situation only worsens if Supes attacks Spidey from a distance, if he does so, that means he's just standing there while Hulk is already at Batman's side and swatting away, leaving Batman a gelatinous, bloody pile.
That's an extremely flawed scenario. Superman usually takes Batman to the air with him anyway. Furthermore nanoseconds after Spidey is disposed of, he's going not gonna notice a huge green benemoth preparing to crush his teammate? That won't happen. Superman is far too fast for either Spider-Man or the Hulk. "The situation only worsens if Supes attacks Spidey from a distance, if he does so, that means he's just standing there" This situation is also completely flawed. You're assuming that Superman is going to stand there on the ground, fire a distance attack, knock out Spidey, and fail to notice the Hulk rapidly approaching Batman? Not gonna happen. Superman and Batman always takes to the air. Here's a more likely scenario, Superman & Batman take to the air. Superman fries Spidey with heat vision. Supes drops Batman off at a safe location. Batman instructs Superman during his battle with the Hulk. (His super-hearing). That's much more likely because that's how they work together 90% of the time.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
With Batman out of the way, it depends on Hulk's anger on whether or not he'll be able to handle Supes. If Supes decides to take the fight this way and that however, then it's a different story entirely.
Once again, Superman will not let ANYTHING happen to Batman. He always protects him. From bullets, from lasers, from energy beams, and certainly from the Hulk.
Superman is stronger, faster, smarter, and much more varied in his abilities than the Hulk. Hulk has a slim chance against Superman and Batman.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
And I still won't justify PIS in the form of Hulk succombing to sleeping gas. If realisically sleeping gas should be nigh ineffective against him, then that's how it should be in a versus fight.
No it shouldn't. Hulk since his birth has ALWAYS been vulnerable to sleeping gas. ALWAYS. Why should we remove a weakness because it's not "realistic". It has happened hundreds of times. By Wolverine, General Ross, Abomination, the FF4, the X-Men, etc.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
And I think calling Spidey and Hulk as a team a drunken Homer Simpson is an underestimation. There's alot of potential between these two. With Hulk's brawn and Spidey's brains as well as his ability to think on his feet to use his surroundings to his advantage while putting his other abilities into play (abilities out of reach of Batman physically by miles and miles), the two paired together could be a force to be reckoned with with amany powerful threats.
Actually its a rather accurate picture. Spider-Man does have the brains. However Hulk won't listen to him. Hell he doesn't give two cents about Spidey. It's in their character. And even if they do somehow try to work together, Spider-Man isn't half the brains nor tactician Batman is. Spider-Man doesn't matter in this battle anyway. He goes down by Superman.
Originally posted by CRAZYJOEDAVOLA
Spidey is pretty much useless in this fight, and the Hulk probably knows it. He would grab the wall crawler, and hurl him as hard as he could at batman, easily killing both.
LOL
Give both teams just TEN SECONDS to prepare and Batman will whisper a master plan to Superman and it's all over.
Supes on his own could take down these two.
Spiderman is gone in the first fraction of a second.
An observer won't even be able to see Superman move - they'll just see him flicker on the spot a tiny bit and then Spidey would explode into a red mist.
The Hulks 'leaps' and '700mph' speed are nothing to the Man of Steel. When Supes goes all out, his speed even stuns the Flash. "The power of his muscles snaps the laws of physics in half!"
Spidey is a non-factor.
Batman tells Superman exactly what to do via Supes' super-hearing. So we basically have Batman brains in a superfast superstrong indestructable body.
Hulk is going dooooooown. Very quickly.
Besides, there are tons of scenarios where Batman is a major factor.
Lets say Hulk and Spider-Man are CLOSE together. Hulk charges at Batman and The Dark Knight baseball slides inbetween his legs and then ignites a smoke bomb. Now with Hulk in his deranged mood tries to swat Batman down in the fog ONLY to hit Spider-Man who is kicked into the mess from a ghostly Batman.
Thats almost a KO for Spidey right there. Not to mention right after the smoke bomb, Batman could run and Supes could fry the entire area with his heat ray..easily leaving Spidey and Hulk dead. and if Hulk manages to survive that, I'm willing to bet that even Batman could find a way.