Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Venom can lift 25 tons max.
Hulk can lift more than 100 tons in a calm state.
Venom has normal human speed
Hulk can run 700mph and enhanced agility
Eddie Brock is a averagly intellegent bully
Hulk is a Superhuman Genius (read the recent comics.)
Venom is regenerative
Hulk is virtually indestructable and regenerative.
Hulk has better fighting skills than Venom
Venom is outclassed by Hulk in every aspect. No way in hell he can win.
"Venom possesses all of Spider-Man's powers and even greater strength. He can disguise himself to look like any person he can imagine, and is invisible to the wall-crawler's protective Spider-Sense"
this is from the marvel.com site, so venom does have enhanced speed and even though the marvel directory has him at class 11 i'm pretty sure he is closer to 25 than that........ although i don't have any sites to back that up 😗
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www.marveldirectory.com is extremely inaccurate. One discrepancy is that Marvel doesn't use "strength classes." Venom can lift 25 tons (level 4) maximum according to Official Marvel Encyclopedia. Venom is nowhere near Hulk's speed (though Spiderman comes pretty close), and he does not have spider-sense. Regardless, there's no way Venom could beat Superman or Hulk.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Venom can lift 25 tons max.
Hulk can lift more than 100 tons in a calm state.
Venom has normal human speed
Hulk can run 700mph and enhanced agility
Eddie Brock is a averagly intellegent bully
Hulk is a Superhuman Genius (read the recent comics.)
Venom is regenerative
Hulk is virtually indestructable and regenerative.
Hulk has better fighting skills than Venom
Venom is outclassed by Hulk in every aspect. No way in hell he can win.Venom beating Superman was crap writing. Crossovers are popularity contests. Superman is more popular than Hulk, and apparently Venom is more popular than Superman. That doesn't mean Venom can beat Superman. In a crossover it comes down to a vote.
Doubt those facts.
Venom can lift (press) in the ranges of 11 tons. He is not much stronger than Spiderman, but significantly enough to overpower him physically.
Venom does NOT have normal human speed. Venom's speed and reflexes are a little slower than that of Spiderman who has been said to have Speed/Reflexes ranging from 15x human level....all the way up to 40x. (how it can be this broad...i know not)
Hulk can run that fast...true, but he has NEVER shown anywhere near that type of speed when fighting. He is able to run at fast speeds...his quickness and reflexes are no where near that of Venom. Venom could concievably run circles around Hulk...hitting him from all angles just like Spiderman did.
Brock is a college graduate and a detective-esque journalist. He's by no means on the same level of intelligence as Professor Hulk, but that's neither here nor there. Neither of these characters use their intelligence to their advantage when it comes to fighting situations. Sure...the rare instance...but conventionally they resort to physical attributes.
Hulk's fighting skills aren't on par with Venom's because Hulk isn't able to move nearly as fast as Venom...but again that's neither here nor there.
The fact of the matter is, Venom does not possess sufficient enough strength to physically harm Hulk. Hulk is not as fast as Venom, but he's fast enough to make contact with some of his blows...and that's all that matters. In the end...you are still correct. Venom is outclassed by Hulk.
And Venom beating Superman is laughable. The only thing Venom could do against Superman and Hulk would be to send the symbiote down each of their throats. Aside from that....Venom's punches and kicks do little to either of these characters...aside from annoy them.
Juggernaut beat the living crap out of Venom. Juggernaut got hit like 2 or 3 times and it had NO effect on him. There was no serious staggering on Juggernaut's part.
The only thing good that you could mention about the fight between the two of them was the rather impressive endurance Venom showed while getting beat to hell before being thrown into that pit of living mercury.
Venom hit Juggernaut...maybe 3 times...and in the long run it did nothing at all to Juggernaut.
For every hit Venom landed, Juggernaut landed an even more impressive blow. I agree Venom wasn't paying attention near the end because the mercury was "calling" to him....but it really didn't matter. Juggernaut got the drop on Venom and Venom really never got a chance to use his speed and reflex advantages.
At the end of the fight Juggernaut left Venom for dead. He didn' run away. The whole reason he even went into that little apartment building was to kidnap that girl Eddie Brock liked...and when he got her...he left.
In the third comic venom comes crashing in through the ceiling of the apartment Jugg starts to run his mouch venom knocks him around a bit and juggs says he isn't being paid enough to take that kind of abuse....then he runs away. literally, I'm not taking that out of context whatsoever juggernaught ran away.
but that's besides the point, my point was if spiderman can hit hulk and stagger him, even break one of his ribs for a moment, I'm more than confident venom will be able to do that as well......and (I think you're ignoring this part) venom's stronger now than EVER before so I'm sure he'd hold more than his own now.
Venom as a character has been butchered by the various writers who have worked on him.
In the third comic, Venom was already altered by the living mercury pool. Hence the name of the title "the madness." The living mercury drove Brock insane while also altering his powers and his appearance. The additional arms and small heads on his shoulders was the easy part of pointing this out.
Brock rejected the bonding with the mercury because it was hazardous to his health...so he went back to the normal traditional Venom....who would and did get his ass kicked by Juggs.
Either way...I don't believe Spiderman ever broke one of Hulk's ribs. And in the comic that this thread actually was based on....Hulk clearly shows that Venom is no match for him. His blows have little to no effect on Hulk at all.
and which series of Venom are you refering to? The newest Venom series that was like 18 comics long is just flat out a horrible comic book to make reference to.
Wolverine gets nuked down to his adamantium skeleton like Juggernaut did against D'Sparye (sp?) and managed to fully regenerate almost in an instance.
"In the third comic, Venom was already altered by the living mercury pool. Hence the name of the title "the madness." The living mercury drove Brock insane while also altering his powers and his appearance. The additional arms and small heads on his shoulders was the easy part of pointing this out."
by the time venom fought juggs he was pretty much back to normal, a side affect of the mercury virus that was nearly dead already.
"and which series of Venom are you refering to? The newest Venom series that was like 18 comics long is just flat out a horrible comic book to make reference to."
yeah but craptacular writing or not the changes to the character can't really be ignored.....or can they?
"Wolverine gets nuked down to his adamantium skeleton like Juggernaut did against D'Sparye (sp?) and managed to fully regenerate almost in an instance."
well not exctly an instant but did you noticed his pants didn't have a single sratch, he was sportin "SUPER PANTS" baby! nobody can take him in those things!
in the comic this thread is based on I don't think venom ever actually hit hulk, just webbed him a lot.
When Venom fought Juggernaut in the 3rd comic the mercury was in full effect. To say it was nearly dead....while he still had multiple heads and arms....would be stretching the truth a little.
And I wouldn't ignore the new series by any means...I just question it. Just as I try to question everything in comics. I really haven't gotten a chance to see this Venom with his upgraded abilities all that much. I kinda wish the series kept going.
And actually Venom did hit Hulk in the comic, and the hit was nothing but bothersome to Hulk. What was shown in the comic was more than enough to convince me that Venom really isn't a contest to Hulk.
And actually, I feel that the comic did a good job on both characters. Emphasizing Venom's speed and reflex advantages...while emphasizing Hulk's strength and uncanny durability.
"When Venom fought Juggernaut in the 3rd comic the mercury was in full effect. To say it was nearly dead....while he still had multiple heads and arms....would be stretching the truth a little."
Okay......no.
Lets get something straight right off the bat, the mercury virus was indeed dying (almost dead) by the time Venom got around to fighting juggs the third time. Venom states that he'd go and return the virus as soon as he can but he has to save beck first. Now I don't know if you own the comic or just read that from somewhere but in the third fight, venom has no extra heads nor does he have any extra appendages (all he even retains from the entire series as far as upgrades go is a couple little morphing tricks he picked up along the way) stretching the truth I am not I say!
"And I wouldn't ignore the new series by any means...I just question it. Just as I try to question everything in comics. I really haven't gotten a chance to see this Venom with his upgraded abilities all that much. I kinda wish the series kept going."
hey, that's understandable, I read the whole series through a couple of time and it's still confusing as hell.
"And actually Venom did hit Hulk in the comic, and the hit was nothing but bothersome to Hulk. What was shown in the comic was more than enough to convince me that Venom really isn't a contest to Hulk."
Did he? what frame did that happn in? I'm not saying you're wrong I just don't remember, I'll probably go check it out in a little bit just to be sure though.
"And actually, I feel that the comic did a good job on both characters. Emphasizing Venom's speed and reflex advantages...while emphasizing Hulk's strength and uncanny durability."
agreed, I just hated how hulk instantly knew about venom's weakness to sound. It's not like all the superheroes in the world go to a superhero safety awareness meeting every year to discuss their villains weaknesses with eachother.
Originally posted by jinzinStill argueing this Jinzin Venom isn't strong enough to take out the higher ups of Marvel Earth. He could never go against a Thor Hulk or Juggernaut Superman anything thing that allows him to seem to have a chance is bad writing. When you have guys that destroy entire biuldings move planets and posses the the power to destroy celestial domes Venom's little 25 ton decent superhuman agility and webbing aren't enough.
"When Venom fought Juggernaut in the 3rd comic the mercury was in full effect. To say it was nearly dead....while he still had multiple heads and arms....would be stretching the truth a little."Okay......no.
Lets get something straight right off the bat, the mercury virus was indeed dying (almost dead) by the time Venom got around to fighting juggs the third time. Venom states that he'd go and return the virus as soon as he can but he has to save beck first. Now I don't know if you own the comic or just read that from somewhere but in the third fight, venom has no extra heads nor does he have any extra appendages (all he even retains from the entire series as far as upgrades go is a couple little morphing tricks he picked up along the way) stretching the truth I am not I say!"And I wouldn't ignore the new series by any means...I just question it. Just as I try to question everything in comics. I really haven't gotten a chance to see this Venom with his upgraded abilities all that much. I kinda wish the series kept going."
hey, that's understandable, I read the whole series through a couple of time and it's still confusing as hell.
"And actually Venom did hit Hulk in the comic, and the hit was nothing but bothersome to Hulk. What was shown in the comic was more than enough to convince me that Venom really isn't a contest to Hulk."
Did he? what frame did that happn in? I'm not saying you're wrong I just don't remember, I'll probably go check it out in a little bit just to be sure though.
"And actually, I feel that the comic did a good job on both characters. Emphasizing Venom's speed and reflex advantages...while emphasizing Hulk's strength and uncanny durability."
agreed, I just hated how hulk instantly knew about venom's weakness to sound. It's not like all the superheroes in the world go to a superhero safety awareness meeting every year to discuss their villains weaknesses with eachother.