Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader

there are alot of reasons that the older jedi felt that anakin shouldn't be trained maybe because they felt that he had to much anger in him. but anakin had a choice and he made that choice to become evil.

A lot of things contributed to his turning. Leaving Naboo didn't cause all of them. I mean we all do things and then look back on them and regret them. How was Anakin to know that when he left Naboo and arrived on Tatooine he would find an extended family and have his mother die in his arms?? He made the choice to leave Naboo, so did Padme. They both knew the risks but they went regardless. If my mother was ill I'D want to do anything I could to help her and going to her, to comfort her would be the first thing I would do.
Imagine how hard it must have been for him, feeling/sensing his mother in pain perhaps dying...it would tear me apart.
What was he going to do, ignore it??

an older, more experienced and wiser master could have taught him how to deal with that rage better.....plo koon or mace, for example.

true that wiser master could of taught him but look at what yoda is a master and thought that he shouldn't be trained maybe yoda felt something in the force that told him that anakin was going to turn who knows

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
an older, more experienced and wiser master could have taught him how to deal with that rage better.....plo koon or mace, for example.

Not necesarilly, look at Yoda and Count Dooku, Yoda trained Dooku and he ended up turning Sith.

Anakin has a personality that will lead to his downfall because he makes attachments too easily. Better teaching would have dealt with that. But the final responsibility is still his and I only feel a token sympathy for him. There is no excuse whatsoever for what he does.

Of course there's no excuse Ush, I totally agree there. But now that we've seen Anakin grow up and have all these difficulties we know WHY he is evil. Before he was evil he was good but deeply troubled. THATS why I feel sorry for him.

I would have felt sorry for him if he had NOT turned evil.

my thoughts exactly, ush and lyn.

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see, in that japanese magazine where GL commented on the balance in the force he said, that anakin failing as a knight and turning dark, was needed to get the balance

How?

if only I can remember where I found it... gimme a sec; lance

EDIT: can't find it ... can someone help me out here?

I am not sure that is exactly what he said... he said that by turning Dark and then destroying the Emperor he eventually brought balance but I don;t think he said that is how it HAD to happen, just how it DID happen.

So is there an actual prophecy in the movies.?? Like written or something, do you know what I mean?? Like would the Jedi have known HOW Anakin MIGHT have brought the force into balance??

No wait, that's a little stupid. Don't mind me people, I'm just tired.

since this thread is about anakin/vader,i want to say a couple of things

i'm a huge darth vader fan,that being said,for i dont know how long,but i've been wanting to see a whole lot of vader.but the more and more i think about it,it shouldnt be known that anakin is vader.i think the last scene should and will be obie vs anakin and obie kills anakin.

my reason?

well,i feel that if i were to watch the whole trilogy from start to finish(1-6),i would be really disapointed knowing that anakin becomes darth.it would ruin one of the greatest moments in film history...when vader reveals to luke that he is his father.i remember seein that for the first time and being so shocked and exited.what a great plot twist.

now,when somebody watches 1-3,who hasnt seen the movies before,they're gonna know that darth is luke's father before the empire strikes back.that would like ruin a huge moment,and probably "the" most exiting moment in the trilogy(aside from the fight scenes of course)

so,i would rather not know that vader is anakin and lukes father,and be shocked with i see the empire strikes back.

if not,and we do know its vader...well,that spoils everything

what do you guys think??

another thing...

i keep readin that anakin never becomes a jedi or that he never was a jedi because the jedi council never gives him the title...

um,hello...anybody see the same star wars movies i did?the jedi council does not have to make anakin a jedi for him to become a jedi.in return of the jedi,sideous tells luke to join him as his apprentice,and he shall complete his training and make him a jedi.i have no doubt that the same will happen in episode 3,but this time sideous will be telling anakin that.as we've seen,GL does repeat certain things.

so what do u guys think?

I felt the same way, but I think George Lucas may be able to pull it off just right.

They were some great points you made Hater 👆
I can understand what you mean about revealing Vader's identity. It does spoil the twist huh??
This is a little off-topic but relates slightly to your comment on "the" moment.
Recently in Oz, on TV they showed Ep1, Ep4, Ep5 and Ep6 in a period of about a month. When they advertised Ep5 they did this:
<Black Screen-writing comes up>
In 1980, 5 words changed the world...
<Black Screen-scene where Vader reveals the truth to Luke>
"Luke, I AM your Father"
It was SOOOO mad!! That just shows how great a moment that was.

I think people should watch it 4,5,6,1,2,3, that is all. It might be interesting to watch them all in sequence but you simply have to accept that the new trilogy was made with the fact that people had already seen the old trilogy in mind. The new trilogy doesn't even WORK on its own. They haven' explained who the Jedi are and what the Force is- the only reason we know these things is because we have seen the original films. The only reason any of it has any resonance is because we have seen the orignal films. So people will just have to watch them in filming order in future- that is how it was designed.

Incidentally, it is rather obvious that the Jedi have to make someone a Jedi, you have to be admitted to the Jedi Order to become one! Being a Jedi isn' a state of mind, it is being part of the organisation called the Jedi Order! It's like a vigilante claiming to be a policeman- no matter how much crime he fights, he's not a policeman unless he is a member of the police force!