tolkien & alagorys

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tolkien & alagorys

did tolkien use alagorys,???

exampls

mordor---hell
aragorn--Jesus
gray havens--heaven
battle of 5 armies, war of the ring ect...-----WW1 WW2

ect.....

oy... theres been lotsa debates ab this and i dislike all o dem..anyway,
some say the war o the ring was a allegory of the war on terror (*cough*stupid*cough*), people at time he wrote it sed it was an allegory for world war 2 (i.e. germany was southeast o england...*cough*stupid*cough*) , at which tolkien replied that if his story had been an allegory of world war 2, neither side would have cared for the hobbits and their way o life woulda been crushed, others say its a christian allegory like u sed, others lookin at it from a broader perspective see a mythical fight o good and evil within oneself, like when tolkien sed the ring was the machine, and i say lookin at it too deep shudnt b a concern, cus tolkien would get mad when people asked what the 'meaning' to the story was, and he would say u should not look for meanings like that in these stories, but instead just appreciate them.

Listen, Tolkien specifically stated in a TV interview that he detested allegory in all it's forms. Good enough?

If you want to know what program it is, I can't remember. It was a couple of months back and I was on holiday in Tenerife. I was watching the TV in the room before I was to go out and a Tolkien documentary came on which contained the aforementioned interview.

i agree, i pretty sure he disliked the use of them.Tolkien says something about it in the part before the lord of the rings book begins

Tolkien stated MANY times that he did not intend to use any symbolism or allegory. The struggle for good against evil is not allegory, as it is a very blatant theme.

Cleo's correct. He might've been affected by happenings in the world, but without willingly putting it in as an allegory.

many movies and stories dealing with good and evil get this reputation, one flew over the cuckoos nest is another one that gets comparison to biblical stories and themes. i think its usually just coincidence

hmm makes sense.......

tolkein did base his stories actually on WW2...it was in a national geographic thing that comes with the special collecters extended fotr version...boromir dying was liike his best friend...who died in WW2....also something about anglo-saxons...and the finnish like 100 book (wiht like 100 pgs each) kalevala...a very VERY long song/story....helped derrive from elvish. got the anglo saxon helmets and designs for like armour and stuff...theres alot of info on that yall should watch it!! ✅ its a good story

there are alot of achetypes, lotr is filled with them, but i also heard that tolkein detested allegories and the connections between lotr and ww1 and ww2, if you think about it though, it indirectly relates to all wars... universal theme

i think he inadvertedly used allagories becuas of what happened in his life and wut he went through and experienced.

He just wrote it and THEN people try to find alegorical meanings from them. If he said he didn't do it, then he didn't. He was a very precise worded man, Jonathan Ronald Ruel Tolkien was. When he said something, he meant it.

He didn't use allegories, but he wanted the reader to feel like a hobbit - so he used all that anglo-saxon stuff.

According to Tolkien
"there are no allegories, and "it is about" nothing but itself; It is perhaps about dead and immortality"