Dryden> Dude, I personally can't think of ways to really poke holes in the Matrix Within Another Matrix (MWAM) theory. By the way, I don't know if you know people call it MWAM, and if you do, I don't mean to insult your intelligence. But for a long time I didn't know what that meant. Ok, back to the point. MWAM is sound enough, other than it would make for some pretty bad story telling on the W Bro's part.
Think about it. All this build up, just to turn around and change it all in the end. Sure that can be taken as one huge, cool plot twist. But it's more likely gonna feel like a rip off to audiences. Ok, well maybe you don't buy that. How about this: how would you ever know that you have gotten out? You couldn't. Who's to say that you are not just in one more Matrix layer? Who's to say how many there are? The movie wouldn't end, and millions of fans would be left hanging with "bwaa ha ha, you'll never know if you're free." Who cares if there's a One if you'll never know that he saved you? So should people just be satisfied with "feeling" like they're free? You know, just going "ok well I don't know if there is another Matrix, but this "feels" real enough so who cares if there is or not." Good Heavens No! That would destroy the whole movie! The point is and has been that you must be Free. Big F, one r, two e's. No substitute. No complacency. So although the MWAM theory is sound, it would do a lot of 'other' damage to the story. I think.
Whew... I said a lot. And I don't mean to sound like I'm Yelling or tearing your ideas apart cuz I'm really not. Really, this is all just my opinion. And that's what we're here for. To bounce ideas off each other. So, if you see more reasons why it may be another matrix, please let me know. I love hearing of some of the other possibilities out there and some of the defenses to any other ideas.
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You know, i really dont think the Wachowskis are in it for the ratings, or the fame, the money, whatever. I think they are trying to create the ultimate mind child of human delusion/belief. There are philosophies of layers and layers of reality, and i think they are incorporating that in a way that says "screw you if you dont like it, because this is my art, and you dont have to agree with it." Really, i dont think they care.
SimplePriest> i feel like im the one thats always defending, so if you can get them to justify, then by all means, go right ahead.
Priest> no offense taken, and you have a very good point!! Yeah, whats to say at the end, they couldnt just say..bwuahaha, you're still in the matrix. I also think there should be some form of feeling free, otherwise the entire struggle and point of the trilogy is lost. I agree with you.
I really wonder how they are gonna warp this thing up. If you think about it, they could make it awesome, or really let down a lot of people *cough* George Lucas *cough*.
lets hope for the best!!!! cant wait to see it.
But maybe thats the point, we can never truly be free. Even if we are, will we know it, will we take advantage of the freedom? "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept" Maybe they're trying to say that we're all Lemmings, following a pre-determined path and following it with such precision, that we believe we are free, when we are not. "Since i have seen how good you are at following orders, I will tell you what to do next." Maybe, they are saying that, even the most aware of us, is still just, asleep.
Originally posted by burlyman
has anyone seen the movie Existenz by David Cronenberg?
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yes... it was a game in a game in a game type thing. it was a while ago i saw it and i was hallucinating at teh time but i do remember it being a very strange movie. they had to plug in by some hole in their back... i'd like to see it sober.
JediHDM> Hmmm. I have to say I agree with you on the Wachowski brothers being about the art not the pop. BTW: I love artists who are like that. I do Not really like artists who are about the fame. Back to the point though. I guess I really figured that they wouldn't leave us hanging with a MWAM movie. Maybe that's just because that's what I want. But you know what, as you talk about it, I can see them doing it. It would make sense. It could be Very deep, philosophically speaking. And in some ways it makes the statement that "we don't care what you want. This is our film. This is what We wanted it to be." Ahhh, I'm getting goosebumps already.
I'd sure like it if it weren't MWAM. But... however they do it, I know it'll be good.
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