The oracles "Snacks"

I don't know if you've missed this or not in the movies but.........the movie is about SENTIENT programs........programs that are self aware and can think, that is what sentient means.............I believe they cover this in the first movie when describing the agents.

ofcourse he has questions..........the entire movie series is built around questions..............this however has nothing to do with the fact that the oracle has already told us that Neo is incapable of making choices, that the choices have already been made........he is simply walking the path to understand how these choices will lead to the desired result.

Neo is programmed to do something..........he cannot change this. He can however wonder, "why do I have to do this"..........ofcourse the answer comes when he walks the path and finds out what the result is........he can then look back and see why he needed to do that something to arrive at the result.

the Oracle does not tell us Neo is INCAPABLE of choice, she tells him that, although he may not realize it, he has already decided how he will react to given situations, and thus the Oracle also knows. Also, when describing the Agents, SENTIENT does no mean they question their environs, it means they are concious of their environs and are able to make concious decisions about their environment. Neo questions himself, his life, his world, and this is a sign of humanity, the difference between humans and machines.

In the resterant Neo is told choice is not for people like him. he is told that is what seperates him from morpheus.

The cookie is and any other injection are programs. Take note.
The bug that is places in neo the first time.
The pill of choice
THe food at resterant
Whe the guy aboutt to stab neo, he wipe the blood on the knife, so it can be injected.
Noe Re-programmed smith when he injected himself into smith
now smith doing the same to others

Is there anybody else who believes this, or is joeboy the only deluded one...?

wow, thats great, really, too bad we already know that...

NEO HAS CHOICE AS DO WE ALL! mero is wacked just cuz neo kicked the s**t out of all his possie and then his wife helped him.

Separates Neo from Morpheus?? Ehrm, is there a Matrix movie I didn’t see?
The Merovingian says :”No. Choice is an illusion between those with power, and those without.”

Nickysan> Please tell me you don't mean that. The Merovingian made his statements about choice long before Neo raised a hand against his henchmen, and Persephone played her little game.

This is a take-out scene Where Morpheuse tries to brib himself out of the agents' grasp by offering Smith The Oracle's cookie

awww too funny 😆

I think you should all read what Evil Dead has to say.

Originally posted by JediHDM
Is there anybody else who believes this, or is joeboy the only deluded one...?

wow, thats great, really, too bad we already know that...

ROFLMAO 😂 😂 😂 😂

heehee

Originally posted by Evil Dead
The Oracle: "You are not here to make a choice.....the choice has already been made......you are now here to understand why the choice was made"

Not exactly.

The Oracle :"You're not here to make a choice... YOU'VE already made that choice..."
-Emphasis mine-

The Oracle tells Neo that, after he’s told her what he sees after the door made of light. He sees Trinity falling.
At that point the Oracle knows what Neo is going to choose. Namely the door his predecessors didn’t. He can see past the Architects room.
It’s one of the most thought-provoking aspects of the Matrix Reloaded. Neo and the Oracle sees without time, because the Matrix is still, after all, a program, that executes certains commands at certain moments in time.

If I cracked my ETM CD, I could read all the programming lines, all the IF THEN’s. I could then, in principle, be able to foresee every move the game would make against me, when SWAT teams would start firing and so on and so forth.
I would be able to see the entire ETM game “without time.”

The Matrix is certainly more complicated, yes. But it is still a program, and hence Neo and the Oracle can read the programming code, and foresee what program will do what when. Since the digital selves of our heroes are programs too, they, too can be read. But what then, about CHOICE and free will?

Good point Omega very good point, there is still choice because you yourself said "all the possibilities a SWAT could execute" so actually yes there is choice to a certain extent its just that the Oracle as you have said has cracked the Matrix and can see all possible choices so therefore she can see what path would play out when Neo acts.

BUt, if Neo understood the choice of Trinity living or dieing, he would've seen FARTHER than that, which makes me believe there is no choice...

Yes there is because he chose (went against) the other possibility than the rest of the Ones.

But we already knew the choice he would make, the Oracle already knew the choice he would make. He had to make that choice, He wouldn't have been able to live with himself if he didn't, he would kill himself from the inside...It is my opinion that Archie knew what Neo would choose, also...

But he did'nt have to take that door, but he did did'nt he? It seems Choice is an illusion created by the archie himself. It is mindstretching though is'nt it? I believe in both possibilities though.

We already know Neo is different than the others, not just because of his love for Trinity, but also because he is more "aware", maybe, smarter, more intelligent? "Interesting, that was quicker than the others". Thus, although it seems that Neo was thinking of the right choice, i think Archie knew he would ultimately pick the left door, i can't explain it, although i'm thinking, but i think he did, and i really don't put much faith in the Choice illusion, as you so adequately put it

You don't but did'nt you just state that you do believe in illusion of choice?