"The System is everywhere. It is all around us. Even
now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your
window. Or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when
you go to work. When you go to Church. When you pay your taxes.
It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you
from the truth."
Red Tex, NE texas here.
My point in my post was NOT that it is okay to drink and drive, NEVER.
But, that when we allowed the hype, persecution and manipulation to occur over that, we opened a door.
That door is wide open now, it includes seat belt laws, (I use them by choice), then it was smokers, etc.. AND now the school (Law) are dictating what can be eaten and what can't.
THEY do this not to protect the public, we are overpolutated anyway, they do this for MONEY. TURN it into a "SIN" tax and get all they can.
NO, I'm not over weight and love my twinkies!
It just I've been around long enough to see the long road and where it leads. I don't like my children and theirs having to follow it.
DUI's, were one of the first really successful campaigns, it did what the
prohibitionists couldn't. It targeted a group of people and their lifestyle and criminalized it.
I know DRUNKS cause accidents and I'm not defending them, It's the laws and how they were arrived at. The manipulating of the stats, the manipulating of our congressmen, senators, president, etc. that I have the problem with.
There is not an easy answer with drunk drivers, as it has been pointed out, the suspensions, etc. are not working, in fact the stats suggest that the exact opposite is occuring. But, repeat speeders, cell phone users
I don't. Most of the repeat offenders don't even have a licenses. They drive regardless of a licenses. The only thing that not having a licenses guaratees is that they won't have insurance to go with it....
People are going to drive, with or without a licenses. I've met people that have driven for 14 plus years without one, and no insurance. Not from even getting tickets, just because they didn't want to take the tests, etc...
I tend to think that an Ignition interlock might work with some of the hard headed ones. But they could still get around that by taking their wifes car, etc...
Actuall a car like Arnold had in the movie "The sixth day" would be great
for everyone, even a drunk could slurr out "home James" and make it safely....
Red Tex, NE texas here.
Excellent, although I think I hold the prize for being the only communist Texan here 🙂
My point in my post was NOT that it is okay to drink and drive, NEVER.
But, that when we allowed the hype, persecution and manipulation to occur over that, we opened a door.
I don't think regressive taxation came from this kind of offense, it came from the bourgeoisie's unwillingness to accept progressive taxes, thus, there are these seatbelt laws, etc.
So what do we do now, instead of regressive punishment for drunk driving? Monetary punushment? what?
I think the best answer is to either remove the person's license for a while, mandate public service, AND add in some sort of public humiliation factor(i.e a mandatory sticker on your car, or something) for it...
That door is wide open now, it includes seat belt laws, (I use them by choice), then it was smokers, etc.. AND now the school (Law) are dictating what can be eaten and what can't.
Well, you live in Texas, the JESUSCRATS have taken over. We have to pray, and pledge, nowadays...
THEY do this not to protect the public, we are overpolutated anyway, they do this for MONEY. TURN it into a "SIN" tax and get all they can.
Of course, but an you call out a bureaucrat for not caring? We'd have no government if we did!
NO, I'm not over weight and love my twinkies!
hurray! 🙂
It just I've been around long enough to see the long road and where it leads. I don't like my children and theirs having to follow it.
follow what? Drunk driving laws? I'd rather see them following it, personally.
DUI's, were one of the first really successful campaigns, it did what the
prohibitionists couldn't. It targeted a group of people and their lifestyle and criminalized it.
KILLING PEOPLE is not a lifestyle. Being a drunken fool IS NOT a lifestyle, it's a disgusting symptom of a decaying society.
I know DRUNKS cause accidents and I'm not defending them, It's the laws and how they were arrived at. The manipulating of the stats, the manipulating of our congressmen, senators, president, etc. that I have the problem with.
I'm glad you've reached this point, really, you've realized the bureaucrat serves someone else, not you or me, bravo; HOWVER, don't go drunk driving and call it "civil disobedience, I don't buy it.
There is not an easy answer with drunk drivers, as it has been pointed out, the suspensions, etc. are not working, in fact the stats suggest that the exact opposite is occuring. But, repeat speeders, cell phone users 💃 💃
OK, here's how you fix it:
1. Public service, lots of it
2. Humiliation(have I been spelling that right? LOL)
3. revoke license
God, I'm such a bad speller...
"I'm glad you've reached this point, really, you've realized the bureaucrat serves someone else, not you or me, bravo; HOWVER, don't go drunk driving and call it "civil disobedience, I don't buy it."
I don't, in fact I'm so "law abiding" I make myself even sick! Perhaps its from all that pressure of NOT breaking any laws that has me so upset that there are so MANY! If a person is law abiding they have a very narrow row to hoe. It reminds me of a strait jacket that I might someday be in, if I continue in my present lifestyle......
Originally posted by judy247
I don't. Most of the repeat offenders don't even have a licenses. They drive regardless of a licenses. The only thing that not having a licenses guaratees is that they won't have insurance to go with it....People are going to drive, with or without a licenses. I've met people that have driven for 14 plus years without one, and no insurance. Not from even getting tickets, just because they didn't want to take the tests, etc...
I tend to think that an Ignition interlock might work with some of the hard headed ones. But they could still get around that by taking their wifes car, etc...
Actuall a car like Arnold had in the movie "The sixth day" would be great
for everyone, even a drunk could slurr out "home James" and make it safely....
true, i guess we should execute them or incarcerate them then.
I think that California tried that, the drunks bought $100.00 clunkers, it cost more to tow them and store them then they got at the auctions. Besides, they were driving around without insurance, etc....
Incarcerating them, why not, we already have the prisons overcrowded with pot heads, addicts, a bunch of drunks wouldn't hurt it any.. But, I wonder if we ever really do come up with a real criminal, where will we put him?
If we throw the drunks in jail because they Might someday hurt somebody, then we need to consider the speeders and those they might hurt and Kill, and let's not forget the cell phone users that MIGHT hurt someone, let's just toss anyone that has ever had a moving violation into prision. After all the reason they received the ticket was because they were endangering themselves or someone else, with their driving.
Anyway that's what the cop will swear to, if a person should take them to court... So, Who really belongs in jail? Justice for all remember.
mmmm... my brother has 2 DUI's... he is a good kid with a drinking problem. he has tried to quit drinking many times only to fail many times. he has tried to quit drinking and even stoped driving (he got a 3rd one on a bike but fought it and won... yes a DUI on a bike). he would get so blindingly drunk and just get this overwhelming feeling to leave the place where he was at.... so he left. he would go and even give his keys up to someone there, which could be easily cajoled after everyone was drunk..... now my brother just sits around my parents house doing nothing all day because he can't drive to work and the bus system in tampa is very bad..... what he did was not right by any means.... but maybe if he was forced into a program the deals with his drinking problem this will just be a recurring problem. harsh fines and time in prison and taking away his license will not help him.... he cannot quit drinking on his own accord... the kid needs help and lucky for him he is young and has a family that will see to it he gets proper help... lets try rehabilitation over debilitation.
Originally posted by judy247
I think that California tried that, the drunks bought $100.00 clunkers, it cost more to tow them and store them then they got at the auctions. Besides, they were driving around without insurance, etc....
Incarcerating them, why not, we already have the prisons overcrowded with pot heads, addicts, a bunch of drunks wouldn't hurt it any.. But, I wonder if we ever really do come up with a real criminal, where will we put him?If we throw the drunks in jail because they Might someday hurt somebody, then we need to consider the speeders and those they might hurt and Kill, and let's not forget the cell phone users that MIGHT hurt someone, let's just toss anyone that has ever had a moving violation into prision. After all the reason they received the ticket was because they were endangering themselves or someone else, with their driving.
Anyway that's what the cop will swear to, if a person should take them to court... So, Who really belongs in jail? Justice for all remember.
being drunk and driving is far more dangerous then any of the other acts you mentioned.