So, let's see why some aren't scoring!
The Motion Picture. Hmmm. Ten minute pans around the Enterprise do not a movie make. This one suffered badly from over focus on the effects (WAY more than modern Star Wars ever did!) and the kind of half-use of the planned characters from the originally planned new tv series that never happened (even though they re-used the Commander when they created Riker, which is why he is so much like Decker from this film.
No decent bad guy, no decent battles... nice to see everyone again, but basically the other films just trashed it.
The Search for Spock? Hmm. Christopher Lloyd makes a good performance as the first proper bad guy Klingon of the post-Original Series times. So the villain is ok, and the drama of the destruction of the Enterprise is ok, and Kirk gets some good fights. But... well, it is all so much about simply undoing the great drama at the end of II, that it all looks like a fairly pointless runaround.
The Final Frontier? Well... because it is cack, basically. "What would God... want... with a... star-ship?" Also a continuity nightmare with flying to the centre of the Galaxy so fast. Ok, to qualify... no decent bad guy, not much decent drama, silly plot. There.
Generations? Ok, someone HAS voted for this... so in fairness the first 30 minutes are fine. The middle part is a bit flabby, and then nice as it is to see Kirk again... the rest is a half-written illogical mess. Check your script. Oddly enough, the final TNG episode suffered from similar continuity problems, and would have suffered even more if Patrick Stewart had not pointed them out. When the lead actor has to tell the writers that the script is bust, then something is wrong. The same attitude applied here.
Insurrection? Because everyone forget it almost immediately. In its defence, its actually more of a Star Trek film than First Contact, which was an out and out action movie. But Insurrection just seems a little ireelevant; a film length tv episode. May as well have just kept making more tv episodes!
And Nemesis? Because it was a crushing disappointment. The trailer was exciting, the film was awful, and combined with the failure of Enterprise is part of what pretty much killed the franchise off for now.
I do hope it makes a triumphant return, but these things can easily go wrong.
Originally posted by Robby001
DS9 imo was the last great star trek series, and would be an awesome movie, as long as they managed to get the whole crew back together...
They would definitely have to get the whole crew. Other wise it wouldn't be as good as it was. I hate it when they substitute a character with another actor, what the heck they think that we don't remember what the original looked like 😠
To see the Defiant in action again would be great. Kicking Ass and Taking Names. 😎 [/B][/QUOTE]
definately...
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Just to be practical I'll say all of those are pretty much my favorites. The Wrath of Khan is most popular because of the character. A pure super intellectual like Khan trying to match wits with Kirk. Plus the death of spock? Excellent ingredients to make this film the most known.
its a damn good movie alright...
Originally posted by doan_m
i'm amazed at the amount of favour towards First contact over Wrath of Khan. I mean wasnt that movie the biggest money making star trek film of all time?!?
i think in relative terms, yes...
i liked parts of generations, but one part really pissed me off... they've fought the borg several times before, and learned how to change their shield frequency, but when a klingon bird of prey finds their shield frequency, they do nothing but make an arse of it, eventually destroying what was a fine ship...
bas*ards...
And Nemesis? Because it was a crushing disappointment. The trailer was exciting, the film was awful, and combined with the failure of Enterprise is part of what pretty much killed the franchise off for now.
I do hope it makes a triumphant return, but these things can easily go wrong.
GAH! Don't say anything! you'll provoke the wrath of Q!!
What was wrong with Nemesis?
I absolutely loved the villain to me he was by far one of the coolest Star Trek villains of all. Don't get me wrong I also loved Khan but, I just couldn't get enough of a clone being portrayed the way I believe they should be. As who you would be if you lived there life! I will agree there were several elements that didn't quite fit a Star Trek film (What the hell is cool about a go-cart to people in the 24th century???) but, there were allot of truly interesting parts. I loved the end, I mean how much do you have to hate someone to pull your self through a few feet of metal bar in your chest just to try and strangle them?
Originally posted by Entity
What was wrong with Nemesis?I absolutely loved the villain to me he was by far one of the coolest Star Trek villains of all. Don't get me wrong I also loved Khan but, I just couldn't get enough of a clone being portrayed the way I believe they should be. As who you would be if you lived there life! I will agree there were several elements that didn't quite fit a Star Trek film (What the hell is cool about a go-cart to people in the 24th century???) but, there were allot of truly interesting parts. I loved the end, I mean how much do you have to hate someone to pull your self through a few feet of metal bar in your chest just to try and strangle them?
Well, yours is a very minority opinion, which is the most objective way to say what was wrong with it. A flop both with fans and at the box office.
It was entirely uninspired and boring, really. Failed to keep any kind of worthwhile dramatic pace.
Originally posted by EntityNemesis should have and could have been a lot better.
What was wrong with Nemesis?I absolutely loved the villain to me he was by far one of the coolest Star Trek villains of all. Don't get me wrong I also loved Khan but, I just couldn't get enough of a clone being portrayed the way I believe they should be. As who you would be if you lived there life! I will agree there were several elements that didn't quite fit a Star Trek film (What the hell is cool about a go-cart to people in the 24th century???) but, there were allot of truly interesting parts. I loved the end, I mean how much do you have to hate someone to pull your self through a few feet of metal bar in your chest just to try and strangle them?