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Are we to assume that in the previous Matrices (1,2,3,4,5) that Persephone did not betray the Merovingian and deliver the Keymaker to the previous Ones? After all, we know the Merovingian existed in the previous Matrices due to the fact that Persephone says his henchmen were saved by him from older versions... so he must have 'lived' through all of them. How did he not know it was all going to happen?
there may have been similar people, such as someone like morpheus being told he would find the one that would bring about the destruction of the matrix, however, i don't think in any of the other matrices, there was a trinity like figure. So when the Architect said something like if you don't go back to the source, then all of humanity will die, then the previous ones all thought "Oh my! I don't want that to happen!" So they all took the door back to the source. Whereas Neo is different, and trinity is too obviously, and sadly the story that wachowskis wanted to tell will come to its conclusion on Nov. 5th
NO, it didnt happen the same in any of the other matrices, b/c of the reason given by Vim, and also b/c, the matrix is ever changing, it is, itself, a type of biologic that is constantly adapting to new environs, new minds. everytime, there are different people in the matrix, thus, each new Matrix is going to follow a different general flow, in order to keep as many people as possible satisfied that this is the real deal, the real world...
Originally posted by JediHDM
NO, it didnt happen the same in any of the other matrices, b/c of the reason given by Vim, and also b/c, the matrix is ever changing, it is, itself, a type of biologic that is constantly adapting to new environs, new minds. everytime, there are different people in the matrix, thus, each new Matrix is going to follow a different general flow, in order to keep as many people as possible satisfied that this is the real deal, the real world...
ah ok, cheers
Audiohem> Your first question is in no way trivial. “Did Persephone betray the Merovingian and deliver the Keymaker to the previous Ones?”
We don’t know that. By now it seems to be general consensus, that the previous runs of this Matrix, 1,...,5 had a One (not Neo, but someone who picked up the anomaly), The Oracle to stage the scenery, a Keymaker and the Mero and Persephone. Since teh Mero knows about Neo’s predecessors.
But who’s really the “bad guy” when it comes to Persephone and Mero? He, at least tries to explain a crucial point to our heroes. Namely about “why”, just like Harmann tries in engineering.
It’s Persephone who delivers the Keymaker, thereby making it possible for Neo to reach the Architect. Did that happen before? Meo kidnaps Keymaker, Mero won’t hand him over, Persephone does? Yes. Otherwise, why should Neo’s predecessors have visited the Merovingian in the first place?
So either the pair is part of the system of control, or they try, unsuccesfully, to interfere, maybe to stop the reloading. I don’t even think Persephone is betraying the Mero. I think it’s all just “a game.”
Have fun!
Originally posted by JediHDM
NO, it didnt happen the same in any of the other matrices, b/c of the reason given by Vim, and also b/c, the matrix is ever changing, it is, itself, a type of biologic that is constantly adapting to new environs, new minds. everytime, there are different people in the matrix, thus, each new Matrix is going to follow a different general flow, in order to keep as many people as possible satisfied that this is the real deal, the real world...
That is the way I view it.
It is kind of like the Yankess winning the world series or Brazil (or pick your country) winning the world cup. It happens again and again. But there are different people and different paths. Each time it is different, but reaches the same conclusion.
well just to comfort your thoughts, remember in M1 when smith was interrogating morpheus and talked about the different version of the matrix, and how they came to this final one "at the peak of human civilization". He talked about how he hated the "smell" and shizzot.
So obviously the matrix has gone through MAJOR changes in its last few versions, including the timeline and living conditions.
This is what the whole movie is about; Choice. The story repeats itself in previous versions because the matrix and it's programs are engineered in a way that give the ONE only one path to follow.
The Oracle is always talking path this and path that and so is Morpheus.
The purpose of the ONE is to... just like the Architect said. If your role is predefined then so is your path. The programs, legends, and history are only part of the plan to perpetuate the purpose of the one.
Neo talks to the Oracle and she keeps telling him he's already made the choice, and he ends up trying to fight this "choice" that he's not really making but is forced into making because of his path that is designed to guide the ONE into his purpose.
In all previous versions of the matrix, the ONE's purpose was to upload his code to further update the matrix and to restart zion after the machines trashed the place. When the previous ONEs were presented with this ultimatum, they had no choice but to rebuild Zion, because it did fall.
Now Neo made a different choice, dissimilar to the ONEs before him.
"I thought you would have figured it out by now." Just like she said, probably referring to all of the previous ones and their "choice" to rebuild and fall victim to the purpose of the ONE.
Originally posted by droopy1592
This is what the whole movie is about; Choice. The story repeats itself in previous versions because the matrix and it's programs are engineered in a way that give the ONE only one path to follow.
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In all previous versions of the matrix, the ONE's purpose was to upload his code to further update the matrix and to restart zion after the machines trashed the place. When the previous ONEs were presented with this ultimatum, they had no choice but to rebuild Zion, because it did fall.
Is it just me?
I do not see that the previous Ones had no choice. They could have gone through door #2 and back into the Matrix. Maybe it would mean the end of the human race, maybe not. But I do not see them as having no choice.
(Unless the Architect said, "Behind door #1 is the source you will merge, pick 14 hotties and go back to Zion and start again. Behind Door #2 is...wait, there is no door #2. So get a move on it."😉
I have many possible purposes. Love my family. Provide food to them. Help an old lady across the street. Etc. I may choose not to do some of them by divorcing my wife and family, ignoring the old lady, etc.