and savage rampage if your pressing thousands of tonnes with the sort of speed and fighting skills of hulk he doesnt need to worry about uch else, or spidey would be able to kick his arse, which er he cant. more strength equals more power, and dont quote bruce lee 1 inch punch shite as he got whooped many times by guys bigger/stronger than him who werent necassarily better fighters
Normal juggernaut would end up in a draw with hulk who doesn't have any other powers other than physical force, which would never hurt Cain. However, the Trion or 8th day juggernaut has the power to flatten the hulk even if hulk was savage or war.
Normal Juggernaut=draw
Trion or 8th day Juggernaut="Hulk gets smashed"
T or 8th day Juggs wins.
Juggernaut can be hurt by physical force, it has happened before. Why would you bring up these "suped up" Juggernauts in this thread? It's normal Juggernaut versus normal Hulk. No one brought War Hulk into the fight. As long as people keep bringing up alternate versions of Juggernaut and such, this thread will never end.
After reading...and re-reading my Juggernaut comics...I've come to a new conclusion.
Juggernaut CAN, infact, be hurt by physcial blows....but the effects are extremely short lived.
In the one shot 8th Day comic, the exemplar of battle...or fighting...or war...or whoever the chick is, hits Juggernaut at pressure points and stuff....and Juggernaut feels pain from it.
In a What If?...comic I've also seen a sentinal blast him in the back and heard him scream in pain...though later he claimed to be "playing possum" the onomatopoeia in the dialog box clearly shows that he is in pain.
and the most commonly mentioned would be Onslaught knocking Juggs from Canada to Jersey...where he was knocked out.
But in the same instance I've seen sufficient evidence to believe Juggernaut could be "invulnerable" to physical pain as well.
Hulk's blows never have a lasting effect.
Thor nullified Jugg's forcefield, removed his helmet, and barraged him with blows only to be fine the very second his force field went back up.
He took Thor's God Force blast and kept his forward momentum.
A little bit too much inconsistancy for me....I've flip flopped enough...it's a draw IMO.
Tough guy strength doesnt win fights. let me give u a lil insight.
myself im a big guy, im 6'5 270lbs, i weightlift and powerlift. I have taken Thai boxing for 10 years, and have fought in a bunch of tournaments. i have a really good bench press of 585lbs cause i compete in some small powerlifting events. i used to be 305lbs and even stronger,i work as a bouncer part time so all i do is fight. Now you think with all the strength i have and the fighting skills u still think i wont lose? if u base winning a fight on strength, then it wont always win u fights. granted im usually one of the strongest guys whenever i fight, but ive lost to some guys half my size! is it cause there stronger then me, no. faster? maybe.
Take my master for instance he is only 5'5 155lbs im basically double his size, and quadruple his strength, can i beat him, not a chance no one can. i have all the strength in the world so why cant i put a guy down who is smaller then my kid brother! the answer is simple. Hes a much better fighter plus certain rules apply.
no matter how big or strong u are. if ur blood flow is cut off from the brain u are going to get knocked unconsious. every one has pressure points in there bodies that if touched or hit correctly, u will drop down like a ton of bricks. Just watch some of the pride or ufc fights, they have big guys fight little guys and most of the time the big guys win , but the little guys win from time to time.
The hulk needs to breathe, juggernaut doesnt, if he chokes out the hulk the match is over. what is strength gonna do for ya then when ur out like a light.
how about this they fought 4 times and the juggernaut is the only one with a win..well 2 wins he knocked out the hulk in his street clothes..he was about to break the hulks neck until the hulk threw sand in his eyes..as war he was able to land alot of punches that didn't hurt Juggernaut and the last fight i am not sure on the details but it wasn't really a fight..so why keep having post about who would win?if they fought 100 times the juggernaut would always win..
juggernauts is far stronger than the hulk until the hulk gets super pissed off..to explain this Juggernaut knocked out thing in 3 punches something the hulk has never done...and how about this juggernaut cant be hurt by any physical means..he cant die..he cant feel pain.he does not tire..he does not need to eat breathe sleep so how can the hulk win?if he knocks juggernaut down he will just get up but when the juggernaut knocks the hulk down it will take something from him he will get weaker and weaker until even his rage wont help him..the hulk can die juggernaut cant..so for people who pick the hulk either learn about the juggernaut or just stop being a fan boy..its no way in hell the hulk could ever win
imnorw as has once again been brought up ( i remembber saying this 10000 posts ago) juggie is very inconsistant as aas a character he really isnt that big a player in the marvel world hence standing up to god force etc.
savage rampage i only weight 200 pounds and bench a moderate 250 pounds for good reps now this is as relevant as your point. were not talking about characters who press a few pounds more than ech other etc, hulk has limitless strength to use, he also heals faster the angrier he gets, and his fighting skills are rather good too, above juggies anyway. if im able to press milllions of tonnes with more strength handt whenever i want it i can assure u i will kick anyones arse, add that to the fact if i am hurt i heal quicker than wolvie. were not dealing with the odd hundred pound of difference here , and neither u or i can heal instantly from wounds.
I REMEMBER WATCHING THE X MEN, WHEN JUGGERNAUT WENT TO PUNCH AT GALADIATOR WITH HIS FIST AND I COULD NOT BELIEVE MY EYES GLADIATOR DIDNT EVEN BUDGE NOT EVEN AN INCH I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT HE BASICALLY BRACED HIM SELF FOR IT THATS PROBABLY WHY HE WAS PREPARED TO RESIST THE BLOW.CAUSE HAD HE NOT BEEN PREPARED FOR IT, JUGGS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SENT HIM AWAY.I MEAN AFTER ALL EVEN WHEN ROGUE COUGHT HIM OF GAURD SHE SLAMMMED HIM INTO THE GROUD QUITE GOOD. AND ROGUE ISNT EVEN AS STRONG AS JUGGERNAUT SO I GUESS IT REALL DEPENDS ON WEATHER HE BRACES HIMSELF OR NOT.BUT BESIDES ALL THAT THE GLADIATOR
TOOK JUGGERNAUT BY THE ARMS AND SENT HIM CLEAR ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND INTO THE MOUNTAINS WHICH WAS PROBABLY A TEN MILE RADIUS. NOW THAT WAS HOW I KNEW THAT JUGGS WAS NO MATCH WHAT SO EVER FOR GLDIATOR SO NOW MY QUESTION IS THAT BETWEEN JUGGS AND HULK WHO EVER DO YOU THINK WOULD PUT UP ATLEAST THE BEST FIGHT OR EVEN WIN THE FIGHT WITH THE GLADIATOR IS HOW YOU WOULD DETERMINE THE VICTOR BETWEEN HULK AND JUGGS RIGHT NOW
tough guy juggernaut can lift just as many tons as the hulk..the upper limits to his strength is unknown and he doesn't have to get angry to be stronger he just is..and unlike the hulk juggernaut cant be hurt physically so he has no need to heel..you can break the hulks bones and as i just said you cant do this to Juggernaut..if you drop a nuclear bomb on the classic juggernaut he would just walk thru it..and i am sure the hulk would be seriously hurt by this..even if the hulk because 100 times stronger than the juggernaut his punches would still not hurt him..do you get what i am saying?to beat the juggernaut you need more than brute power..you need more than quick healing ..so in a one on one battle to the death the hulk will die 100 percent of the times..and as far as juggernaut punching gladiator and not making him flinch..it was just for the cartoons to make gladiator seem powerful..in the comic books Juggernaut never fought the gladiator..and if he did punch him he would move not saying Juggernaut would beat him because of his superior speed but he could make him move
oops and tough guy if juggernaut can knock out the thing with 3 punches and the hulk could never do this then juggernaut must be a hell of alot stronger than the hulk until he gets really really really angry and even then he still never over powered the juggernaut when they fought..crying out in pain and then throwing silt in the juggernauts eyes to prevent himself from having his neck broke isnt over powering juggy is it?being ko'd by him isnt over powering him is it?he could only overpower juggernaut as war and you know that wasnt his own powers..lol you know whats funny?when fans boys keep saying the hulk aways beats the juggernaut when up to this point he could only do it as war and juggernant clearly beat the hulk down like a child in 2 of their other fights..another funny thing is when the hulk fans boys only post pics of war punching juggernaut leaving out when juggernaut punched and knocked him around..i guess its just to get your point across huh?the bottom line is this..what is juggernauts weakness?does the hulk have away of exploiting this without help?hmmm no.can punches hurt juggernaut?ummm no can the hulk do something besides try to punch him?again its no.so how could he beat him?as i said no matter how strong hulk became he couldnt hurt or keep the juggernaut down.eventually the hulk will tire and he will die..infact he doesnt really need to tire to die..if juggy almost broked his neck before then he could do it again
Juggernaut isn't stronger than Hulk. If you haven't established this on the 155th page of this thread, I suggest school.
It doesn't matter who has knocked Thing out or not. Hulk has beat him everytime they fought, that's what counts.
Juggernaut has been shown to sometimes feel pain, and sometimes not. The fact is, he can be hurt. Who has better tools to put a raw hurting out than The Hulk? No one.
No offense Imnorw but you're not posting anything that hasn't been posting 5-10 times before.
Do you think if it was that easy that we'd have 155 pages? No. It SHOULD be, in Hulk's favour. However, people are trying to reach some happy medium. Juggernaut is either invulnerable or he is not, he has been hurt. So lets go with not. Therefore, he is susceptible to getting beats.
Also, beat Hulk down like a child? What comic were you reading?
-AC