Originally posted by Tough Guy
ive alreadycountered that . the whole piece actually talkedof war beating juggie with power ups. which has never been in doubt that he had celestial tech. and that editer is one...doesnt add up, and is in any way the opinion of marvel. please dont bring up quotes dealt with many pages ago. as for the insults theyre as laughable as yourhairstyle
You said that it was never in print. I showed where it was in print. Besides, this was printed sometime shortly after TIH#419, whatever the period is between an issue and its letter pages, while TIH#457(?) is still nearly 40 issues away.
I said that I read it in a Hulk comic, not that I own the comic. Though my comic stack is quite reasonable.
Even Champion is supposed to have limitless Strength and IIRC that's without the power gem. As far as multiple characters with the same max power output just look at cars as an example. Two cars may be able to reach 180mph but one car, b/c of gearing or hp, can reach it faster, thus winnng the competition.
As I mentioned in one of my posts a few pages ago, I think it comes down to writer's fiat.
As laughable as your typing you mean?
Champ -may- have limitless, some say only as much as his body can contain, but Elders have complete molecular control of their body, so he just -may- have limitless strength. He definatly has the means to do so, power primordial is proven to be limitless.
Odin most definatly does. Thanos might. There are a lot of limitless strength guys out there.
Does jugs REALLY have unlimited strength? I've never ever ever seen him have trouble lifting anything, and he does have unlimited pulling strength....hmm.
If he does have unlimited pulling strength, he probably does have unlimited lifting strength.
Think about it, he can call upon the power that usually gives him his unlimited pulling strength and just use it for lifting or pushing.
Makes perfect sense.
well your confused lifted. that reply was in response to hukl as war beating juggie. anyway like i said thats the opnly real reference and its not really consistant with what ive read on juggie. i mean ive got 1 yr marvel cards that have classic juggie below flipping she hulk on strength. i mean i know hes enchanted and can move without stopping in a direction , also is super durable, but nowhere can he have limitless strength that grows quicker than hulks. hulks is supremely quick at times. so your 180 mile per hour car metaphor is useless.like i said hulk is unlimited so even if juggie was unlimited it wouldnt make him stronger. go read some of pads email returns on other boards. he was a writer and he states hulk physically is the most powerful without limit many times. as does any book ive ever read on comic heroes, also interviews with many marvel guys including stan lee backs this up. why would they decide that hang on hulks unlimited but theres a stronger guy ( despite its impossibility). sounded to me back then and still sounds like an editer short of facts about the character. and why is juggie not written ever displaying his super dooper strength on the scale of hulks?????
Tough Guy name a time when Juggs has attempted to do something and hasn't. That is what many people is the reason he is unlimited I believe he very well may have unlimited strength as well But I agree on one thing it isn't offical. Like you said with Hulk it is offical Juggs isn't so until proven otherwise Hulk is stronger but that matters like a bullet out of a gun it's worthless. Juggs is still in Hulk's league no one can disprove that. Plus there is two reasons why Juggs doesn't get Hulk's feat to prove this. One Hulk has his own comic therefore more chances. Also Juggs is a villian who is designed to go toe to toe with heros and in a fist fight you really don't worry about lifting more you just fight.
Ok. Whats your problem? Dont know how to use something simple as a spellcheck?
Hulk having limitess strengh or not, doesnt give him automatic wins. Like writers at Marvel have been writting for decades, he can be overpowered physicaly and knocked out. Even during Lees years.
And your backing your claims from cards? L o L .
"hulk is unlimited so even if juggie was unlimited it wouldnt make him stronger"
Explain that one to me. If both are unlimited how does that make one of them stronger than the other?
"go read some of pads email returns on other boards. he was a writer and he states hulk physically is the most powerful without limit many times"
PAD was a Hulk writter. What wer you exactly expecting him to say. Every Thor writter that comes along says hes the most powerful too.
Give yourself a rest.
welll my point was even if juggie had unlimited strength he wouldnt be stronger just equql so the editer was wrong. exactly pad was a writer and is the only one whos name off hand i can remember , but i also remember watching some or other marvel doc on tv once and the same things were said there too. thats the first time ive read juggie having unlimited power. the editer is clearly off mark. cards was just an example of stats not the all big doobie but nether the less relevant, theyre licenced by marvel. on those cards incedentally hulk is well ahead on everything but intelligence. ive never said hulk having limitless strength gives him automatic wins, im aware of him being roughed up or whatever. im talking the top ends that he is capable of. the godly shows of strength he does. the fact that he has the potential to do anything physically. i dont expect it to happen in every comic , that would be stupid. also hulk wouldnt come accross as vulnerable, a major attraction to his character. as for juggie not showing his levels of strength regularly cos he is a villain. i mean he is in enough comics to have at least competed a bit . if his character truly had limitless strength . and i appreciate he is designed to go toe to toe with your hulks, thors etc. however all im saying is hulk has the POTENTIAL to do the impossible with regards to juggies enchantment and kick his butt. not that this would happenevery time they met, or possibly ever , as if he did boards like this would die and they wouldnt sell as many comics as they would from stalemates and unfinished fights. its the fact hulk has the potential to do this. this is whats in his character to do and ive read marvel stats, encyclopedias, comics and watched with interest documentaries and read many view points of writers and fellow comic buffs and this is his character. juggie well for an indestructable forest gump to have a force field says all u need to know about how well thought out a character he is. he is nothing more than a physical challenge that if hulk accomplished wouldnt rate near his top ones anyway
oh newjack onslaught kicked his arse . he couldnt overpower him, er hulk could. he got stuck in cement whilst fighting spiderman too i think. took years to burrow out of a cave with hulk holding up billions of tonnes of a whole mountain range. er couldnt overpower hulk except by disguise. couldnt over power war if he has limitless strength it wouldnt matter whether or not war had celestial tech. got knocked down by prof hulk, thrown into a mountain by savage hulk ....... thats off the top of my head and what a beautiful head it is . the only other guys ive ever heard of as characters being unlimited in strength are your higher level non mortal guys, apoc, galactus, etc smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast
Originally posted by Tough Guy
oh newjack onslaught kicked his arse . he couldnt overpower him, er hulk could. he got stuck in cement whilst fighting spiderman too i think. took years to burrow out of a cave with hulk holding up billions of tonnes of a whole mountain range. er couldnt overpower hulk except by disguise. couldnt over power war if he has limitless strength it wouldnt matter whether or not war had celestial tech. got knocked down by prof hulk, thrown into a mountain by savage hulk ....... thats off the top of my head and what a beautiful head it is . the only other guys ive ever heard of as characters being unlimited in strength are your higher level non mortal guys, apoc, galactus, etc smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast
Please don't forget that Hulk got trapped in quicksand. Just a little counter-argument to your Juggie in the cement story.
"couldnt overpower hulk except by disguise."
What the hell? Since when does a disguise help overpower an opponent? It's not like Hulk didn't figure it out pretty quickly that Cain meant business. He started fighting for his life pretty quickly into that situation. Disguise or not, Hulk got his butt handed to him.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
oh newjack onslaught kicked his arse . he couldnt overpower him, er hulk could. he got stuck in cement whilst fighting spiderman too i think. took years to burrow out of a cave with hulk holding up billions of tonnes of a whole mountain range. er couldnt overpower hulk except by disguise. couldnt over power war if he has limitless strength it wouldnt matter whether or not war had celestial tech. got knocked down by prof hulk, thrown into a mountain by savage hulk ....... thats off the top of my head and what a beautiful head it is . the only other guys ive ever heard of as characters being unlimited in strength are your higher level non mortal guys, apoc, galactus, etc smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but War isn't the normal version of Hulk so if you wanna argue different incarnations then I say Trion Juggs can beat any Hulk form no matter what.
hulk would find juggy's limits ( if really enraged and for a good reason to fight)
War Hulk if well written could use the energy of two dimensions plus celestial tech plus hulk power, he would erase any version of Juggy from the existence
I'm not sure how well known it is but Onslaught didn't gain a physical form until after his encounter with X-Man, which occurred after his encounter with Juggernaut. Juggernaut just didn't have a body to beat up on or against. And both pre/post-Revanche Psylocke have been able to partially bypass the helmet's defense so it isn't impossible that Onslaught could have also.
Granted, the Braddock's hail from a different dimension entirely IIRC and we know that Brian has some magic in him, maybe Psylocke does too.
The Destroyer was made to battle Celestials but when put to the test, after being powered up by Odin and the rest of the Asgardian's energies it still failed miserably. **Celestials and their tech** have proven capable of circumventing quite powerful magics. Perhaps War just circumvented the unstoppable magics thanks to the Celestial Tech. That doesn't necessarily mean that Hulk can do it alone.
"War stopped,beat and almost killed a running juggernaut, it means that War found Juggernaut's limit it means that Juggy has limit it means that his power has a limit it means that Hulk is >>>> juggernaut===> since the hulk has unlimited power"
This is a fine example of a lame logic. War its an - amped - version that succeded in stopping a - regular - Juggernaut running. Thats his big and only feat.
8th Juggernaut beat the crap out of Thor like Hulk never did. Ergo by that logic Juggernaut>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor>>>>Hulk.
Amped version arent called to this thread. Regular versions of both always stalemated.
But im sure youll try to make a comeback how WarHulk is - the - Hulk when he only appeared in 2 issues and will probably never be used again.