gollum

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I love talking like gollum especially movie quotes (yessss, cookiesss need love too)

I think we can all agree without Gollum lotr wouldn't b as great as it is.

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SMEAGOL ROX MY SOX!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤘 💃 (see username, im also new here)

Not only would LotR not be a good without Gollum, it would be completely different, because first of all Deagol would have had the ring, and without Gollum Frodo and Sam never would make to Mordor because they didn't know anywhere except for the Black Gate. And of course, at the end, but I won't say anything for those of you who haven't read the books. Yay for Gollum!

Gollum, even before Gandalf and Frodo is a greatly described, wonderfully dialouged, overall very fantastic character in the land of Literature. He is a metaphor for Drug users who get hooked and can't stop.

I've read the book which do you prefer the book or the film?
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I always thought Tolkien badly botched Gollum's end.

Here we have a character, influenced in no small measure by Scott's Bois Guilbert, and we have an end even more unsatisfying.

If you are intersted in the idea of redemption, and Tolkien undoubtedly was, then how can you so badly botch a character like Gollum.

yes, he could never have given the precious up, fair enough, but

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to have him grab the ring and simply fall **yawn**.

to grab the ring and REALISE he's falling and let himself go anyway even if its just to prevent anyone taking the precious again - OK

Anyway thats what i thought, and i hope PJ felt the same way.

well tolkien is big about redemption, but he also plays the aspect that redemption isnt something that everybody receives (mostly due to themselves) such as sauron after the first age was asked to return to valinor for redemption and he also failed.

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I love how Gollum bites off Frodo's finger at the end. Like Sauron, Frodo is missing a finger. Way to make the story come full circle! I can't wait to see this part in the movie.

yeah, i agree with u. Gollum really isnt gross hes cute, specially when he was talking 2 himself.

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Cute, cute, cute - he aint bloody cute - He is a mean, lean, cold blooded killing machine - Gollum = Smeagol and vice-versa - they aren't 2 different people, just one separating himself into 2 personalities.

Originally posted by Sifer
Cute, cute, cute - he aint bloody cute - He is a mean, lean, cold blooded killing machine

Stupid? Is he really? Hrmmm, interesting. Stupid enough to outwit both Aragorn and Gandalf though.

Stupid is perhaps (or surely) the wrong word... I just dunno the right one.
In German it would be beschränkt...
He is quite clever but also kinda naiv.

Cute, no....Interestingly terrible, yes.....

Originally posted by turin
well tolkien is big about redemption, but he also plays the aspect that redemption isnt something that everybody receives (mostly due to themselves) such as sauron after the first age was asked to return to valinor for redemption and he also failed.

Fair point, but then again, the cases of Smeagol and Sauron are light years apart.

Sauron is (and i admit i'm simplifying it a little here, but only a little) your standard 'black hat' bad guy demon.
There is no internal struggle with Sauron, he's BAD thats it.

The case of Smeagol is light years away from that,
Yes, he has fallen in to temptation
Yes, he's a murderer
but to a large extent the effect has been imposed.
What's more he still has some good in him, there IS a struggle of conscience.
Admittedly did a terrible thing RIGHT at the start of possession of the ring, but after that he's had 500 years of it poisoning and tormenting him.
Goodness knows, Frodo and Bilbo had a bad enough time letting go after the relatively short times they held it for.

I therefore still maintain that Tolkien's version of the end of Gollum/Smeagol is weak, and feels out of character, both for Gollum/Smeagol and Tolkien's own writing.

Turin btw,
which do you like best?
Turambar and the Faoloke
Narn i hin Hurin
Of Turin Turambar?

Cheers.

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I don't know but what i do know is as soon as the return of the king comes out it will smash the box office and Andy Serkis will declare his love for me. Oh I really should wake up now.
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The Jarjar binks of LOTR!

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The Jarjar binks of LOTR!

What does that mean?
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