Maybe thats the point morpheus makes about he fights for us, Neo must lose to Smith in order to stop the Machines. Smith, in beating Neo, becomes powerful enough to completely overrun and infect the matrix, thus destroying it. I always did find it strange the way Morpheus said he fights for us, as Neo has been fighting for them all the way through the trilogy.
You guys should watch the latest Revolutions trailer. Here's what I gather, from both Reloaded and the new Rev trailer.
In Reloaded we learn at Neo and Smith's first confrontation that there is a connection between them. Neo can see Smith in his dreams, and Smith says that something in Neo may have overwrote some of his own code. Regardless how it happened, Smith is now able to replicate himself, like an infinitely replicating internet worm, and there is some connection between Neo and Smith.
Near the end of Reloaded, the Architect explains to Neo that the anomaly (the One) represents an escalating probability of disaster, eg total system crash. But he never elaborated on exactly how such a system crash would occur. This is an important detail. How exactly can the One cause a system crash? All we can do is guess, so let's extrapolate: How does such a crash occur in modern day computers? It can be anything from an infinite loop in response to unexpected user action, to viruses and worms, to instability in complex code, or even a randomly occurring combination of all three.
My guess is, it's the same in the Matrix, despite the Architect's formidable programming skillz. Smith is essentially an infinitely replicating worm, who overwrites both humans and agents at will, and no longer has any constraints (purpose) holding him back as before (as he explains to Neo just before the Burly Brawl). Every time he replicates he adds a little more instability to the system in various ways. For example, what happens when half the Matrix is populated by Smiths, and humans in the Matrix see him overwriting other humans on the sidewalk in broad daylight? Might they begin questioning their reality, and seeing through the Matrix, and if that happens, won't they reject it as all others have who could see through it? Or perhaps the Smith code will simply introduce random code instabilities that cause more and more parts of the Matrix to crash (a la the haunted house in the Animatrix, Beyond).
With the previous the Ones, after their meeting with the Architect they all chose to return to the Source, removing their code from the Matrix and thereby averting this disaster. However, Neo is different. He has inadvertently created the Smith Worm, which is replicating out of control and causing greater and greater system instability in the Matrix. Neo has already created in Smith the cascading disaster that the Architect intended to avoid by having the One return to the Source.
Now the machines face a dilemma they've never faced before. Previously, the plan was always to destroy Zion and force the One to return to the Source before the One created a disaster that would destroy the Matrix, then rebuild Zion and start the process anew. The past Ones always returned to the Source *before* they created the cascading disaster. This time, Neo has created the disaster first. Simply sending Neo back to the Source won't save the Matrix and the Machines from the Smith Worm. The Architect's entire plan has unraveled with the sixth iteration of the One, Neo.
Now we see a brief scene in the latest Revolutions trailer in which We hear the Oracle saying (apparently to Neo) that "if you do not stop him (Smith) tonight, there will be no tomorrow". And in another scene, Neo is standing before a massive hovering spherical machine, and we hear him saying that Smith has grown too powerful for the machines to stop. Neo says that only he can stop Smith. Neo appears to be making a deal with the machines, in which Neo will confront and vanquish Smith for the machines, in return for.... what? We don't know yet, we'll find that out in the movie.
Additionally there are scenes in the Revolutions trailer in which Neo and Trinity are flying their sole hovercraft into an advancing army of Sentinels, yet Neo uses his newfound real-world powers to destroy the Sentinels as they fly past them. This is obviously a course of events the Machines have never considered. Not only do they have the Smith Worm about to destroy the Matrix from the inside, they have the unstoppable Neo destroying them in the real world too. It's no surprise then that, as Keanu says, the Machines are fighting for their lives, on two fronts no less. And none of their careful calculations and planning have prepared them for either of the two enemies they are fighting.
So that, imho, is why Keanu Reaves says the Machines are fighting for their lives. Obviously the humans are too, as we see in the Revolutions trailer that the Machines actually do attack Zion and there is a battle there. But what the final solution and outcome will be, I can't even begin to guess.
dave<you are so lazy, not that im not and, lol luv your profile or whatever it is called under your posts, have you noticed how many people have put things against spoilers in them? i might too.....
but i read his post, and fbg, that makes sense, but it still seems weird to word it like that, saying their "lives". usually you dont says their "lives" when talking about a machine.
Whoa! Someone told me that Matrix Reloaded is the first movie in which he hasn't said his trademark "Whoa!" yet. I don't dislike him, but I just meant that he probably didn't mean to suggest that machines have "lives" to fight for, saying that "the machines will come together to fight for their very existence" would have been a little too stuffy for him.
Another interesting, unrelated something: the latest Wired Magazine has a short article on the Wachowski bro's. It mentioned that initially, Warner Bro's was considering Kevin Costner for the role of Neo. Blegh, that would have been horrible. As it is, I think Reeves is perfect for the role.
fbg111> i was with you until you said Smith doesn't have purpose (already i can hear people thinking, "Oh god, here goes Jedi with his 'purpose'-crap again...) but everyone in the Matrix, every program that has not returned to the Source, has a purpose for being there. Smith's purpose is TO BE THE ZERO TO NEO'S ONE, THE 'CATACLYSMIC SYSTEM CRASH' leading to Neo's enlightenment (I like the idea Sifer, i will use it more often...). Also, i don't think Keanu saying 'lives' was a misspeak, but i don't think it was actually meant to come out... 😖hifty: and i dont think the machines will HAVE to fight a two front battle, cause Neo takes their place in the Matrix, perhaps to stop the Machines from destroying Zion(?!?!)...
..Keanu Reeves suggests. “Evolution is another important theme of the trilogy. In the first film, it’s Machines versus humans, who are trying to free themselves from the world of the Matrix where the Machines have enslaved them. In Reloaded and Revolutions, you see the perspective of Machine-created programs trying to hide in the Matrix when they face deletion in the Machine world, while the humans face extinction by the Machines that are trying to destroy Zion. Ultimately, the Machines’ survival is threatened as well, and the humans, programs and Machines have to find a way to cooperate to ensure their survival.”
Originally posted by JediHDM
fbg111> i was with you until you said Smith doesn't have purpose (already i can hear people thinking, "Oh god, here goes Jedi with his 'purpose'-crap again...) but everyone in the Matrix, every program that has not returned to the Source, has a purpose for being there. Smith's purpose is TO BE THE ZERO TO NEO'S ONE, THE 'CATACLYSMIC SYSTEM CRASH' leading to Neo's enlightenment (I like the idea Sifer, i will use it more often...).
Well, the purpose you speak of is the one that the audience knows about, but Smith doesn't. Smith's purpose as far as the movie plot goes is to change the dynamic of the Matrix, to unravel the Architect's carefully constructed plan. But Smith himself doesn't know that. All he knows is that he used to be an Agent tasked with the purpose of catching hackers, but that Neo took that purpose away from him when he destroyed Smith. So Smith has given himself a purpose, the purpose of exacting revenge upon Neo.
Originally posted by JediHDM Smith's purpose is TO BE THE ZERO TO NEO'S ONE, THE 'CATACLYSMIC SYSTEM CRASH' leading to Neo's enlightenment
Actually, I think you got that backwards. Neo's enlightenment at the end of Matrix led to Smith becoming the cascading instability that will eventually cause the cataclysmic system crash. Or perhaps I misunderstood you...
Originally posted by JediHDM and i dont think the machines will HAVE to fight a two front battle, cause Neo takes their place in the Matrix, perhaps to stop the Machines from destroying Zion(?!?!)...
That's what I'm wondering too. Will the humans and machines work together to defeat a common enemy, Smith, and in so doing find a way to peacefully and satisfactorily co-exist? According to what burlyman just wrote above, that might be what happens...
Originally posted by JediHDM
im not talking about Neo becoming enlightened to the fact that he is the ONE, i'm talking about real ENLIGHTENMENT, as Sifer says, ascendance...
I thought that when Neo returned from death and could see the Matrix at the end of the first movie was his real enlightenment? What else is there?