explaining why Mr. Smith lost...please read!!

good enuf answer ....... And i think that smith taking over Neo being pluged into The Mian Master machine or whatever hes called ...... allowed the master machine to delete smith ...because now smith was pluged into the master machine...and of course the smiths are connected....and Neo is dead either from 1 or two reasons....smith copied himself ....remeber what neo said "it felt like i was back in that hallway ...it felt like dying" ..... DYING (if thats spelled right). or he was killed thru that whole deletion process....... and the matrix was re made in a 7th version .... meaning there will be another 1 ..... and i dont think that little girl is the 1 ... i think she is the program that is saposed to take care of the sunsets and sunrises and things like that...... just my thoery

Anyone figure out what truly happened yet from a script or something?

Originally posted by JackMode211
good enuf answer ....... And i think that smith taking over Neo being pluged into The Mian Master machine or whatever hes called ...... allowed the master machine to delete smith ...because now smith was pluged into the master machine...and of course the smiths are connected....and Neo is dead either from 1 or two reasons....smith copied himself ....remeber what neo said "it felt like i was back in that hallway ...it felt like dying" ..... DYING (if thats spelled right). or he was killed thru that whole deletion process....... and the matrix was re made in a 7th version .... meaning there will be another 1 ..... and i dont think that little girl is the 1 ... i think she is the program that is saposed to take care of the sunsets and sunrises and things like that...... just my thoery

The Matrix wasn't reloaded. I, and many others such as JediHDM, believe that he's somewhere in the Matrix, and his physical body only died, but his mind is merged with the Matrix.

I think that Sati isn't the "Sunset Queen"...I think that she might be a personification of Love or Beauty, which a machine would not think of as being a purpose...

i agree with Khellhound's theory of Sati, that makes sense...

i also dont think that being hooked in at different places in the Matrix makes a difference, the main machine couldn't delete smith no matter what was going on...that is why he needed Neo

Originally posted by skullkid02
another thing to think about is Neo's purpose is to be a "savior", now i dont want to go religous here but there is a parallel here. in reloaded when Neo and trinity get off the elevator there are thousands of people waiting for him, he is the one..."the saviour" of the human race against the machines. Christ was the savior for man and his purpose was to die and make even for our sins...Neo did die, and it was to save mankind...the same theory. make sense??

I'm pretty sure that Neo represents Jesus Christ. Here's my take on the matter:
In the original "The Matrix," this was somewhat incorporated into the story. The One had come before and had set some people free. After he died, the Oracle prophesized that he would return, and that his return would be the triumph of good over evil. Also, Neo dies and is resurrected. That's about it for the Christ references in the first movie. I think the Wachowski brothers had an idea that Neo would be a Jesus figure, but with the making of "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" they decided to make the story a sci-fi Jesus story.
I knew this for sure as soon as I saw the Architect. He's an old white guy with a white beard who "created the Matrix." He is quite clearly God. And if you listen to his monologue about twelve times like I have, it starts to make a bit of sense if you know that his entire monologue is an allegory. He says that the first Matrix he created was "quite naturally perfect." (Garden of Eden). But humans didn't accept the program (Man cannot live in the Garden of Eden, falls). There followed a horrific program, which was the Wachowskis' explanation for ghosts, werewolves, vampires, and all those other things that attack Neo in "Reloaded" (I can't think of any Biblical equivalent for this part).

As I am out of space I shall try to continue this on another post. I'm just getting started.

So the third Matrix gave humans Choice. But choice created imperfections in the equation (SIN!). Therefore, the Architect made the One, who was the "remainder of an unbalanced equation" (Jesus must die for the sins of humanity). This was pretty upsetting to Morpheus and other believers, who had trusted the Oracle's prophesy that the One would bring about the end of the Machines' rule. Back in the early A.D. years, the Hebrews prayed for the prophesized coming of the Messiah, whom they expected to create the Kingdom of God on Earth and overthrow those evil Romans (represented by the Machines). Jesus, however, died instead for the sins of humanity. This made a lot of Hebrews angry because they wanted the Roman Empire overthrown. In the same sense, Morpheus and friends aren't happy with the news Neo brings back from the Architect: he's not supposed to save anyone, he's just supposed to balance out the equation and get the Matrix working right again.
Smith is the Anti-Christ. He is the embodiment of the unbalancing of the equation and spreads throughout the Matrix, just as the Anti-Christ is supposed to be the embodiment of sin and spread throughout the world. So, in a last effort to save his creation, the Architect (God) sends Neo (Jesus) back to the Matrix (Earth) to fight Smith (the Anti-Christ) in a super-cool fight scene (the Apocalypse). The ending of this fight I still have no clue about, what it's supposed to mean either in Matrix or in Biblical terms, though I've found the debate on this forum very interesting.
Along these lines:
The Merovingian is the Devil. I know it doesn't quite fit with the storyline but that costume he wears in "Revolutions" is very Satanic-looking.

ok, first things first: the merovingian is not, repeat not, the Devil. He may be Hades-like, but he is not the Devil. The difference is, Hades was not evil. the Devil is Evil. the Merovingian is not evil, he just does what he needs to do. next, while Neo may be 'like' Jesus, he is not "the jesus figure'. He is as much Mohammed, Buddha or Confuscius as he is Jesus.

could this get any more confusing??

Confusion comes when we try to see a religious figure in the movie. The movie uses religous names but not the theme. it is spiritual theme (spiritual means quest without a beleif system). If we look matrix from a religous point of view then some questions are answered and others remian unanswered and confusing. The same is when the matrix is just viewed as a science fiction.

The whole answers comes when we view it from a man's eternal quest of the universe, his mystery and purpose of life. Then it makes sense.

Neo undergoes a journey of that inner quest and all that symbolsims is in tune with that.

when life arose in this earth there was perfect balance until man started creating havoc to the environment. This is why smith says Human is the cancer of the planet. We multiply like virus and kill the host. why do we disturb nature?. Because we think, peace or heaven is outside of our hearts and minds. We try to see happiness in material things and so destroy our planet resources.
Neo then goes to the source...the source where everything originates and that is consciousness. Trinity is the representation of the body that is in tune with the quest. She is the one who takes Neo to the Morpheus in the begining and that is why she dies in the end when Neo reaches the source. The quest dies when we see that we everythign is the creation of cosnciousness. God is not a human, a thing.. but pure cosnciosuness and that is the theme of matrix.

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matrixjourney.com

WOULD YOU QUIT POSTING "MATRIXJOURNEY.COM"?!?!?! PLEASE...IT IS REALLY ANNOYING!!!!!!!

the most annoying thing is your use of material from a book about the matrix as if it is new material. Yes, you cite, every, single time, that you are refering to matrixjourney.com, but the fact that everything you say is followed by this citation tells me that you have no original thoughts. do me a favor. sit down, without the book or the internet, and just watch the movie. then, think about the movie, about books (not about the matrix) that you have read before. come up with your own ideas.

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good theory & nice discussion
that's what i think at a moment when the movies finish (i mean the imbalance in the equ b/w smith & neo)
but later on i have more acceptable theory
-it should end normally when the artecat give neo the choice but neo take his own choice
-neo not in the equ of matrix , he is abnormal anomalous result from design the matrix
-i think smith copy not complete
inner power of neo program is their but it externally as smith, in other meaning , the first code of neo porgream be same like smith but the neo programe is thier
and after that neo has the access to inter to smith program then del them
-then the equ that become imbalanced is all matrix (smith lost) not the equ b/w neo & smith (neo not in equ of matrix )

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ok, can you please work on your spelling and grammar? it is really hard to follow what you are trying to say because of your grammar. other than that, welcome!

sorry JediHDM 😮 😮

1-neo not a part of Balanced matrix equation
2-neo is abnormal systemic anomaly result from creating the matrix
3-from 1 to 5th edition, the matrix end when the Architect give neo the choice (door) because all of them go with rt door whereas the 6th ed take left one
4-Neo's purpose is the unbalanced equation
5-smith copied himself ..but not complete copying , the external structure of neo as program only changed whereas the internal not
6- every program made from much many codes ,only the first one of those codes changed (in neo) after copying
7-external structure of neo become identical to smith, that's allow for neo to enter in smith program as one of smith program members
8- then neo delete smith program because he now has the access to smith (connected to smith)
9-smith is apart of matrix balanced equation
10-smith lost......... lead to unbalanced equation
11- neo dieing don't effect the equation because neo not a part of Balanced matrix equation

ok, When Smith was an AGENT he could get deleted by the Machine mainframe easily, but when he came back for Neo he was no longer an agent of the system so the machine mainframe couldnt delete him, In reloaded Smith says to Neo, "Im a New Man" Unpluggged as you call it" he says somthing like that along those lines. So that would mean the Machine Mainframe couldnt touch him, and with Neos Powers what got copyed to him he was untouchable by the machines. So when Neo let smith take over him the machines had Direct contact with Smith again and could finally delete him.................

i would have to disagree with you.

1- Neo IS a part of the balanced equation. when the equation is balanced, the yin and the yang are present, and the machines cannot purge the system of either one without throwing the whole system into chaos.
2-Neo is not resulting from the creation of the matrix, but the insertion of choice into the equation.
3-no problems there
4-see above
5-i disagree. Neo and smith were balancing each other, and Smith did copy over Neo. however, the act of neo sacrificing himself so the machines could destroy Smith caused him to become greater than himself, to transcend his mortality.
6-see above
7-again, see above
8-the machines deleted Smith after the equation was unbalanced. remember what the oracle said, the architects purpose is to balance the equation, and the oracles is to unbalance it. she let smith take her over, giving him a 'vision' that she could use him to get neo to understand how he would stop smith. 'everything that has a beginning has an end'. the cycle had a beginning, thus it has an end. smith had a beginning, he has an end. Neo had a beginning, he has an end.
9-yes
10-yes
11-false. neo had to be removed from the equation to unbalance the equation.

in essence, DenKi said what i just said, but before me...hope this helped

I think its more like, when Smith took over Neo, the machines had Smith under their control (because Neo was linked DIRECTLY to the Matrix). So the machines thought "Hmmm, DELETE!".

Basically what JediHDM said in no. 5 of his comment.

ya ,good 😎 😎
but if neo is a part of balanced equation & smith too
and both of them lost ,the equation become balanced again
so ,i think it's either
-1- one of them not a part of the equation
-2- one of them not die

to keep the equation unbalanced