Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, that one. i like it, he looks more superheroic. 😛 and i hate it when he covers his hair. 😠
yes I wish they had that in XML and MUA. I also hate it when it covers his hair he looks very lame and almost like old school beast sometimes to me. He should show off that beautiful head of hair more often.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
yes I wish they had that in XML and MUA. I also hate it when it covers his hair he looks very lame and almost like old school beast sometimes to me. He should show off that beautiful head of hair more often.
The first comics with Cyclops I read was the Claremont/Byrne run so I naturally came to prefer that look, luckily (for me) his current one is quite close to that.
I never learned to like Jim Lee's re-design when he got aboard, to me it wasn't Cyclops at all, it actually seemed a bit silly.
First impressions and all that I guess.
He's the leader of an oppressed, subjected endangered species. There is no room for sentiment in his leadership anymore, he can't afford to be the same naive boyscout he was years ago because the situation has changed. Its the reality of the situation, he isn't out of character, it's character growth. He also isn't a kid anymore and the realities of the world start to matter more than the idealism of youth.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He's the leader of an oppressed, subjected endangered species. There is no room for sentiment in his leadership anymore, he can't afford to be the same naive boyscout he was years ago because the situation has changed. Its the reality of the situation, he isn't out of character, it's character growth. He also isn't a kid anymore and the realities of the world start to matter more than the idealism of youth.
i disagree, but i think we've been over this before...
* from a compassionate person to a brutal one, character growth? i like your reasoning and i respect that. but i disagree that it's a character growth in Cyke's part. Cyke's already a confident leader prior to his merging with Apocalypse. after his therapy with Emma, he came a bad-ass leader which is very okay for me. but in Messiah CompleX, he became brutal and cold killer/dictator. well, i don't know what will happen next to my favorite character... stupid writers... 😛
He didn't become a brutal and cold killer/dictator, he became a soldier... or, more accurately, the x-men became soldiers and Cyclops became a General. Cyclops has said it himself, it's a war and the x-men are no longer students, teachers and superheroes, they are soldiers and he is the man in charge. Is there a chain of command? Of course... that's how a military organizations work. Is there room for questioning orders and dissension in the ranks? Well... no... that's also how a military organizations work. It doesn't make him a dictator it makes him a General.
Its easy to be righteous and noble and take the moral high ground when the choices you make don't matter or only effect you but Cyclops is responsible for the lives of all mutants now, and not just the x-men but mutants who don't put on spandex and fight crime also. The reality of the situation is the x-men are fighting a war for the survival of the mutant species and when you are at war you can't meet your enemy with kid gloves when they are more than willing to kill you.
I think you two are purposely ignoring the context of the current situation. The status quo is radically different, and if Cyclops was the man he was 10 years ago, Mutants wouldn't have lasted long after M-Day (or Messiah Complex to be more accurate). It was a necessity.
/Shrug
Originally posted by Raoul
i'm not, nor do i consider it character growth to completely alter a character just to seem "cooler".
I wouldn't worry about that he's still pretty lame 😉
I guess you could argue that his current outlook devalues his history because of the radical difference in his believes and that there is a tragic iron in that he has come, to a lesser extent, to endorse the principles of Magneto that he fought against for years. But you need to keep in mind that he isn't the same person he was years ago, he isn't in the same position he was in years ago and most importantly the situation is even remotely similar to what it was years ago... so how can you expect him behave the same way?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wouldn't worry about that he's still pretty lame 😉I guess you could argue that his current outlook devalues his history because of the radical difference in his believes and that there is a tragic iron in that he has come, to a lesser extent, to endorse the principles of Magneto that he fought against for years. But you need to keep in mind that he isn't the same person he was years ago, he isn't in the same position he was in years ago and most importantly the situation is even remotely similar to what it was years ago... so how can you expect him behave the same way?
but thats the point. there was no significant shift in his personality after m-day. he's been on a slow, gradual developmental shift ever since jean died the first time. maddie, then the return of jean, then the twelve, then emma. he's gradually developed in to the leader that he was in whedon's run on astonishing. he was under no illusions that the world mutants lived in was anything safe or nice. ever since jean died last time (which was just before whedon's run), he's been developing as a character, but this radical shift that came about in messiach complex was not faithful to the character or his history. his decisions have been absolutely appaling at times.
x-force, i could say it was a knee jerk reaction, but look at how he was talking during messiah complex. openly telling logan to kill people. thats not cyclops.
i should stop before i decide to go on a full blown rant... 🙁
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I guess you could argue that his current outlook devalues his history because of the radical difference in his believes and that there is a tragic iron in that he has come, to a lesser extent, to endorse the principles of Magneto that he fought against for years. But you need to keep in mind that he isn't the same person he was years ago, he isn't in the same position he was in years ago and most importantly the situation is even remotely similar to what it was years ago... so how can you expect him behave the same way?
* there are many arcs which was just as cruel, dark as Messiah CompleX (e.g. Bloodties) but Cyclops still carries his compassion with him.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wouldn't worry about that he's still pretty lame 😉
* a post like this, and a sig/avvy like that, on this thread... are you instigating something, my friend? 🙄 😛