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I'VE BEEN AN X-MEN FAN SINCE THE EARLY EIGHTIES AND HAVE AMASSED A COMIC BOOK COLLECTION OF ABOUT 5000 BOOKS, DEVOTING THAT COLLECTION PRIMARALY TO X-MEN RELATED BOOKS.
LIKE A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THAT ERA I WAS, AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE A FAN OF WOLVERINE. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I READ THAT HUGH JACKMAN HAS NOT SIGNED ON FOR X-MEN 3 I FIND MYSELF THINKING "NO BIG LOSS THERE". I THOUGHT HE DID A BETTER JOB IN THE SECOND MOVIE, BUT WAS NEVER REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HIM AT ALL. IN TRUTH ANY TIME I THOUGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING A LIVE-ACTION X-MEN MOVIE I ALWAYS ENVISIONED ROBERT DINERO AS WOLVERINE. NOT FOR HIS STAR STATUS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS VERSATILITY AS AN ACTOR AND THE DEPTH HE BRINGS TO THE ROLES HE PLAYS. JUST LOOK AT "CAPE FEAR" AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN. ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BOTHERED ME IS THAT CHRIS CLAREMONT WAS NOT BROUGHT IN AS A CONSULTANT IN THE MAKING OF THE FILMS AND HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE METEORIC RISE IN POPULARITY OF THE X-MEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I DO APPRECIATE FINALLY HAVING THE X-MEN ON THE BIG SCREEN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE STORY HAD TO BE DONE IN THE FASHION IT WAS WITH A COMPLETLY DISJOINTED TIMELINE. SPIDER MAN FOR THE MOST PART STAYED TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL STORY AS DID SUPERMAN. BATMAN'S HISTORY WAS WRITTEN SO LONG AGO THAT IF THEY DEVIATED MAKING THOSE MOVIES I WOULD'NT EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.(I'M PRETTY MUCH A MARVEL FAN ANYWAY) SUPERMAN'S ORIGIN I REALIZE IS EVEN OLDER THEN BATMAN BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIS STORY THEN YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK AND IT DOSEN'T MATTER TO YOU ANYWAY. MY MAIN POINT IS THE SUCCESS OF THE X-MEN WAS PREDICATED ON STORY LINES, VERY SPECIFIC STORY LINES, THAT ENDEARED THE CHARECTORS IN THOSE STORIES TO US AND IT IS A SHAME TO BASTARDIZE THEM FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.

I hadn't thought about the Claremont part.... but I agree with you on that!!!!
I thought it was enough with Stan Lee's approval....

HI,CINEMAFAN,I LOVE WOVERINE TOO, HE IS
MY FAVORITE X-MEN CHARACTER,IF HUGH
IS NOT GOING TO PLAY HIM,WHO IS??????

Originally posted by cinemafan
[...] WHEN I READ THAT HUGH JACKMAN HAS NOT SIGNED ON FOR X-MEN 3 I FIND MYSELF THINKING "NO BIG LOSS THERE". I THOUGHT HE DID A BETTER JOB IN THE SECOND MOVIE, BUT WAS NEVER REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HIM AT ALL. IN TRUTH ANY TIME I THOUGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING A LIVE-ACTION X-MEN MOVIE I ALWAYS ENVISIONED ROBERT DINERO AS WOLVERINE. NOT FOR HIS STAR STATUS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS VERSATILITY AS AN ACTOR AND THE DEPTH HE BRINGS TO THE ROLES HE PLAYS. JUST LOOK AT "CAPE FEAR" AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN.

My knowledge of X-men is from the original cartoons, thats it. I was a bit surprised by them casting Jackman as Wolvie but I think he did an amazing job. One of the best in the movie. Also... DeNiro, indeed a versitil actor is old. He doesnt and never will again look like he did in Cap Fear 😉

I HAVE TO SAY THAT I DO APPRECIATE FINALLY HAVING THE X-MEN ON THE BIG SCREEN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE STORY HAD TO BE DONE IN THE FASHION IT WAS WITH A COMPLETLY DISJOINTED TIMELINE. SPIDER MAN FOR THE MOST PART STAYED TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL STORY AS DID SUPERMAN.

Originally posted by ANGELIQUE
HI,CINEMAFAN,I LOVE WOVERINE TOO, HE IS
MY FAVORITE X-MEN CHARACTER,IF HUGH
IS NOT GOING TO PLAY HIM,WHO IS??????

Originally posted by Kes
Both Spider-man and Superman are centered in 1 character. The hero with supporting roles, but its pretty much about them. X-men is an ensemble its a bit more difficult.

Right on G.P.

WOW, I NEVER EXPECTED SO MANY PEOPLE TO SEE THIS SO QUICKLY BUT I'LL TRY TO RESPOND TO ALL THE COMMENTS MADE. FIRST JACKMAN IN AN INTERVEIW SAID AN ACTOR SHOULD NEVER SAY DEFINITLY YES TO A ROLE WHICH TO ME SOUNDS AS THOUGH HE IS BEING COY AND WILL PLAY THE PART BUT WANTS TO SCORE A HUGE PAYDAY, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY ALTERNATIVES FOR THE PART. AS FOR DINERO I WAS SPEAKING OF WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND WISHING FOR HIM TO PLAY THE PART ANY TIME MARVEL HINTED AT MAKING A MOVIE. I DO HAVE TO SAY THOUGH THAT AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT DINERO MADE CAPE FEAR HE MADE A MOVIE CALLED AWAKENINGS WHERE HE WAS THIRTY POUNDS OVERWEIGHT ONLY TO DROP DOWN TO 4% BODY FAT FOR THE CAPE FEAR ROLE, SO IN TRUTH I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE BEYOND HIM TO DO SOMETHING IN A LIKE FASHION NOW. WOLVIE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEWHAT GRIZZLED LOOKING. AS TO THE TEAM VERSUS SOLO HERO STORY I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IF THAT IS WHAT THEY DID, BUT THEY DID NOT FOCUS ON THE X-MEN TEAM IN WHICH ANY ONE CHARECTOR COULD STAND ALONE. FOR THE MOST PART BOTH MOVIES WERE ABOUT WOLVERINE. THE STORM CHARECTOR OF THE MOVIES IS AN ABORTION AND CYCLOPS CHARECTOR IS A SIMPERING CRYBABY, NOT THE IMPRESSIVE AND FOREBODING FIELD GENERAL FROM THE BOOKS. I WON'T EVEN GET INTO ROUGE OR MYSTIQUE.(AS IF SHE WOULD EVER BE MAGNETOS STOOLIE) AS TO THE DISJOINTED TIMELINES AND THE MULTIPLE WRITERS ON THE VARIOUS BOOKS I ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT IN MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS WHEN I SPOKE OF CLAREMONT, ALTHOUGH THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT READING THE BOOKS AT THE TIME. I'M NOT SURE WHEN CLARMONT CAME ON TO THE BOOK BUT FOR A LONG TIME THERE WAS ONE X-MEN BOOK WITH ONE WRITER, CHRIS CLAREMONT. THERE WERE SPINOFFS SUCH AS X-FACTOR, WHICH WAS BASICALLY THE ORIGINAL TEAM OF X-MEN MINUS PROF X BUT THE STORIES DID NOT INTERTWINE UNTIL THE INFERNO CROSSOVER, WHICH I ADMIT I LOVED AT THE TIME BUT IN RETROSPECT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE END. WHEN THE MULTIPLE X-MEN BOOKS BEGAN AND THERE WERE VARIOUS DIFFERENT WRITERS HANDLING THE SAME CHARECTORS IS WHEN CLAREMONT LEFT AND CHARECTOR DEGRADATION BEGAN.

Originally posted by cinemafan
WOW, I NEVER EXPECTED SO MANY PEOPLE TO SEE THIS SO QUICKLY BUT I'LL TRY TO RESPOND TO ALL THE COMMENTS MADE. FIRST JACKMAN IN AN INTERVEIW SAID AN ACTOR SHOULD NEVER SAY DEFINITLY YES TO A ROLE WHICH TO ME SOUNDS AS THOUGH HE IS BEING COY AND WILL PLAY THE PART BUT WANTS TO SCORE A HUGE PAYDAY, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY ALTERNATIVES FOR THE PART. AS FOR DINERO I WAS SPEAKING OF WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND WISHING FOR HIM TO PLAY THE PART ANY TIME MARVEL HINTED AT MAKING A MOVIE. I DO HAVE TO SAY THOUGH THAT AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT DINERO MADE CAPE FEAR HE MADE A MOVIE CALLED AWAKENINGS WHERE HE WAS THIRTY POUNDS OVERWEIGHT ONLY TO DROP DOWN TO 4% BODY FAT FOR THE CAPE FEAR ROLE, SO IN TRUTH I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE BEYOND HIM TO DO SOMETHING IN A LIKE FASHION NOW.

AS TO THE TEAM VERSUS SOLO HERO STORY I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IF THAT IS WHAT THEY DID, BUT THEY DID NOT FOCUS ON THE X-MEN TEAM IN WHICH ANY ONE CHARECTOR COULD STAND ALONE. FOR THE MOST PART BOTH MOVIES WERE ABOUT WOLVERINE. THE STORM CHARECTOR OF THE MOVIES IS AN ABORTION AND CYCLOPS CHARECTOR IS A SIMPERING CRYBABY, NOT THE IMPRESSIVE AND FOREBODING FIELD GENERAL FROM THE BOOKS. I WON'T EVEN GET INTO ROUGE OR MYSTIQUE.(AS IF SHE WOULD EVER BE MAGNETOS STOOLIE)

Thats the problem. They have to introduce the characters and tell a little of each one. But the story has to have a focus, Singer choose Wolvie. It cant just be a team thing...it would make sense. Unless the movies werent related stories. Yes there are some big differences and yes Storm should be more kick ass...thou she is in the 2nd and Cyclopse just has a small part Not sure what you mean about Mystique and Rogue is a teenager with out the powers the Rogue you are use to has.They can not be compared.
Please stop using Caps Lock.It looks like you're screaming.

What I meant about Mystique is she never worked for Magneto in the books. Magneto although his methods were evil his motivations were not, which is why he was placed in the heros shuttle at the beginning of the Secret Wars. Mystique was always self serving, even when she tried to kill Senetor Kelly to stop the Mutant Registration Act it was more for her own ends then the greater good of mutant kind. That being said she was her own person and would never be sub-serviant to another, even if it was Magneto. As far as Rouge goes she was raised by Mystique and Destiny and the idea of creating this bond between Wolverine and Rouge is ubsurd. If wolverine had had his way he would have killed Rouge rather then have had her join the X-Men because of what she did to Carol Danvers. It seems to me they took the strong bond between Kitty Pryde and Wolverine from the books and substituted Rouge in her place. So yeah, I don't like the fact that she dosen't have the powers that she should at this point but it goes deeper then that. Her character will never be what it should be, and the unique bond eventually formed by Rouge and Wolverine will never be because the history is not there. I understand this is all very difficult to translate onto the screen, but if that's the case just don't do it. Stan Lee is a great man but these X-Men are not his own. Again, they should have had Claremont involved, the true heart and soul of these characters that we all love.

Well mystique is a cool character. to have her in the movie they had to do it this way. She doesnt really work for Magneto, she works with him. I guess they could have made Rogue being rased by Mystique and having Danvers powers but her character would have to be older. Has for her relationship with Wolvie I'm also cool with that. It surprised me becasue I was use to him and Jubilee but its cool this way to.Makes sense he would feel protective over the youghest female member.Personally I like the way things are. I've never read the books thou. I stilll think X-men is the best comic adaptation (with Superman).
Dont know and never heard of Claremont but writing a book or comics is waaaaay different then writing a movie 😉

Originally posted by cinemafan
WOW, I NEVER EXPECTED SO MANY PEOPLE TO SEE THIS SO QUICKLY BUT I'LL TRY TO RESPOND TO ALL THE COMMENTS MADE. FIRST JACKMAN IN AN INTERVEIW SAID AN ACTOR SHOULD NEVER SAY DEFINITLY YES TO A ROLE WHICH TO ME SOUNDS AS THOUGH HE IS BEING COY AND WILL PLAY THE PART BUT WANTS TO SCORE A HUGE PAYDAY

How would you feel if Frodo went with Boromir instead of Sam in the movie. Or what if Frodo was not the ring bearer at all or never had an Uncle Bilbo. Now I am in no way saying the X-Men comic books are on par with Tolkien but the analogy still stands. Also without the original comics the cartoons as well as the movies would never have existed at all, so they have to have some merit. Your views are all after the fact, the movies have been made, you liked them and as far as you are concerned that is that. My point of view is coming from a loyal X-men comic book fan for twenty years and what I'm thinking is if the movies had been true to the books the general public would be just as pleased and the hard core fans would have been satisfied. As far as books being different then screenplays, The Shining, Harry Potter, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, First Blood(Rambo part one) the list really does go on and on. Of course there have always been omitions when translating literature into films (there is just too much content) but there is a big difference between taking artistic licence when doing a film and dressing people up to look like a certain character, giving them the same physical attributes and saying "look here we have" so and so. A character is not summed up because he happens to have claws sticking out of his hands, that's what I'm trying to say.

But would they make a movie after 40 years if that was to do exactly the same thing ?
Even then translating comics would be impossible : Jackman is too tall, he's not as facetious and gruff as Wolvie, Marsden and Berry aren't tall enough, their personnality are not as strong as they should. Where are their doubts, their character,etc.
You cannot make a movie that is a 3D replica of a comic book

Of course it is not perfect, but that why it is...otherwise, there would be no movie. When you decide to make a movie, you do it because you think you can bring something to the plot...

It is the strength of the stories that has carried these characters, my whole point is that it dosen't matter what they look like but the depth of the character that matters. The depth of the character being predicated on the experiances accumulated through the story lines. I don't want to see Halle Berry dressed up as Storm but still being Halle Berry or Jackman dressed up as Wolverine and still being himself. These people are supposed to be actors after all and I'm just not seeing it. I would rather have had no name character actors who know how to become some one else then a bunch of people who try to let their name carry the part for them. A perfect example of this is Prof X, who most people recognize from Star Trek TNG, but who heard of him before that? He did a great job with Prof X because he is a character actor and can lose himself in a part.

I see what you mean...

About Patrick Stewart: even though he was made famous in the U.S by TNG and some movies in the 80's, don't forget he had performed for decades in the United Kingdom (Royal Shakespeare Company,...).
But yes he was proposed the part mostly because the producers of X-men were the same as on the Star Trek movies...

An important thing we cannot ignore is the fact that the movie (the 1st one) was only done because some men at the 20th C. Fox had thought it would make some money...Thus the great budget and the need for professional actors (not superstars, but not trainees either)

I agree with cinemafan, .. MORE MUSCLE BOUND MEN IN YELLOW TIGHTS!... covered in honey!!!!!!... wait scratch that lol 😉

i dont agree at all i believe that both halle and hugh did great jobs of BEING storm and wolverine, but because halle is so regognized for her other works alot of ppl automatically associated her with other characters that she has played. And as for Hugh he was, to alot of people, an unknown actor before X-Men and i cant think of ne one who could have done it better. As for me i thought Patrick Stewart did a great job but i couldnt see him as nething other than from Star Trec and same for Magneto i cant see him as anything other than Gandorf, its really not the actor who bacomes the character its the way you view them.

cinemafan I understand your point of view. But in 40 years of X-men they have changed so much, this is just another change.
IMO I think Hugh Jackman was excelente in it. He's 1 of the best cast, along with Ian as Magneto and Patrick as Prof. X.
Tell me before the x-men where did you see Hugh Jackman?

He was in a movie called Swordfish with John Travolta and, surprisingly enough, Halle Berry. Which was a very big Hollywood movie of which he was the star, along with Travolta. Before that I honestly don't know what he did. I did really like him in that though and I am looking forward to seeing him in Van Helsing also. Maybe I have been a little unfair with Jackman I did only see X2 once and I remember thinking he did a much better job with it then the first one, but my original point was that if he wants to play coy and not commit to the third movie and he ends up losing the role to someone else that would be fine with me, I'm sure there would be actors lined up literally drooling to play Wolverine.