Gandalf the White against Voldemort

sometimes, for the greater good, sacrifices must be made. if defeating Voldy means Harry has to watch, then so be it.

Originally posted by Aldaron
Hmmm of course Voldy wasn't killed. Why? "There are much worse things then death"-A.D., Book V. Have you ever thought that Lily and James don't like killing someone even Voldy, espcially with their own son watching?

They wanted Voldy dead... the death spell was deflected back on him, and if I remember correctly, he says he should have died.

obviously, Voldy doesn't die easily. Harry's got his work cut out for him.

Originally posted by The Unknown
They wanted Voldy dead... the death spell was deflected back on him, and if I remember correctly, he says he should have died.

so no ordinary person can kill him then.

Originally posted by Maikahyandowen
so no ordinary person can kill him then.

nor is he a person. or human, i should say.

Gandalf would destroy voldemort...

but they are from two differant worlds. a wizard in Harry's world is drasticly differant form a wizard in Gandalf's world. we can't know what would happen if my some miracle they managed to meet each other

calm down people its a hypothetical question if they had a chance to a duel to the death who would win

oh. well, Gandalf of course.

Excuse me if this is obvious. Gandalf would win. Perhaps Gandalf doesn't walk around cleaning dishes with magic, but that is because Gandalf's "magic" has a profundity that Voldemort's does not.

Gandalf is a Maiar, and sees at once two planes: the mere physical that we (and Voldemort) inhabit, and the spiritual. In a sense, this is a type of "forseeing", although that is not so. Gandalf can sense that something will happen, but not be sure that it will. It is more a spirituality or godliness than a simple fortunetelling, of the type of Sybill Trelawney.

Yes, Saruman does manage to defeat Gandalf at that point, but in the books (not the way the movie made it seem) it was because both Gandalf and Saruman new who was more powerful.

Saruman was the leader of Gandalf's order, and one of the most powerful of the Maiar. But Gandalf, or Olorin, was the wisest and greatest.

And also, how could Voldemort win when Gandalf, being truly wise, is able to see that death, in truth, is merely a natural extension of life. Voldemort could not win if death, to Gandalf, is not defeat, whereas Gandalf could, since death is to Voldemort the ultimate defeat.

All Voldy would have to do is just say the death spell at the same instant that he apparates behind Gandalf.

Originally posted by The Unknown
All Voldy would have to do is just say the death spell at the same instant that he apparates behind Gandalf.

and Gandalf had a Silmaril. Voldy doesn't have anything like that on his side.

Gandalf had a Silmaril? No way. Gandalf never had a silmaril. The only Silmaril in existence during the Second and Third Ages (while Gandalf was in Middle Earth), was Earendil's, and he was flying about in the heavens. But correct, Voldemort's death spell wouldn't work.

Unknown, if you ares till not convinced, take a look at the last point I make in my post:
"And also, how could Voldemort win when Gandalf, being truly wise, is able to see that death, in truth, is merely a natural extension of life. Voldemort could not win if death, to Gandalf, is not defeat, whereas Gandalf could, since death is to Voldemort the ultimate defeat."

I think that is a legitimate point. If Gandalf does not see "death" as a true defeat, how could Voldemort "defeat" him with a death spell.

Just a point, I think there are arguments for both sides (although those for Gandalf winning against Voldemort seem better to me.)

he did too have a silmarill. he wore it just befor they went to the grey havens. Elrond and Galadriel had the others

of course gandalf didnt have a silmaril!!!!

dont be stupid!!!!

there were only ever three

one was cast into the sea by maglos
one into a chasm in the earth, by maeglin
one went back to valinor with earendil

gandalf never ever ever had a silmaril

the most important thing he had was the ring of fire

and the silmaril were only in existanse in the FIRST age

Originally posted by Earnur
Gandalf had a Silmaril? No way. Gandalf never had a silmaril. The only Silmaril in existence during the Second and Third Ages (while Gandalf was in Middle Earth), was Earendil's, and he was flying about in the heavens. But correct, Voldemort's death spell wouldn't work.

Unknown, if you ares till not convinced, take a look at the last point I make in my post:
"And also, how could Voldemort win when Gandalf, being truly wise, is able to see that death, in truth, is merely a natural extension of life. Voldemort could not win if death, to Gandalf, is not defeat, whereas Gandalf could, since death is to Voldemort the ultimate defeat."

I think that is a legitimate point. If Gandalf does not see "death" as a true defeat, how could Voldemort "defeat" him with a death spell.

Just a point, I think there are arguments for both sides (although those for Gandalf winning against Voldemort seem better to me.)

Do you mean that after he's killed, he'd return?