Shock horror BUT I'm afraid I have to disagree with you, Omega. I believe that the system, in an effort to assimilate something it does not understand, has not only given these people the appearances of angels and vampires etc, but has in fact mutated their code so that they have BECOME angel and vampires and whatever. Consider: Cain and Abel may not howl but they can still be killed by silver bullets. And though we didn't see it, the twins were sucked in by a vacuum cleaner and met their demise that way 😛
So if Seraph IS an angel within the matrix, then my god theory is not that ridiculous.
After all, we don't know that he DOES protect the future; he could just be protecting his sandwich ala Joey for all we know 😄
Noola> the point is, we say that Werewolves can only be killed by silver bullets because the programs that seem, to us, to be 'werewolves' can only be killed by silver bullets. they are programs, that are exiled, because they have no purpose...how can something with no purpose suddenly have a purpose by being an angel/werewolf/alien...? it is insane to expect contradictions to both be true.
Originally posted by Noola
I believe that the system, in an effort to assimilate something it does not understand, has not only given these people the appearances of angels and vampires etc, but has in fact mutated their code so that they have BECOME angel and vampires and whatever.
Well: Belief doesn't prove anything.
As JediHDM says. Our belief that it takes silver-bullets to kill a werewolf, is BECAUSE programs, that the system assimilates as "werewolves" can only be deleted by a program written to resemble silver-bullets.
So you're saying Seraph was originally written to protect the Architect? Even if that was true, Seraph is NOT an angel. He's a PROGRAM.
Look, I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but will you lot PLEASE stop grilling me when you don't agree with my opinion! Now look - we all know that facts in the matrix universe are never 100 percent clear; while its true that "belief doesn't prove anything", views like mine shouldn't be shot down in such a harsh manner!
In fact, that's the only thing I hate about this forum; some of you are so closed minded! Cut me some slack! It's my opinion, and I ask you not to spit at it like that! If you disagree, fine, great; but you are going about it the wrong way!
Case in point: what the oracle said about vampires etc can, in my opinion, be interpreted in many ways. And nobody can flat out say that what I think is wrong when none of you lot know for certain!
There - I apologise, but what was said HAD to be said!
i understand it is your opinion, but they are programs, exiles...the Oracle herself said "Everytime someone said they saw a vampire, a werewolf or an alien is the system assimilating some program thats doing something they're not supposed to..."
meaning that, we see Vampire, alien, ghost, when in reality it is justa program that is, acting up, if you will.
Noola> Well, if you post an opinion, and can’t back it up with anything then you WILL get grilled. If nothing else I’m trying to find out why you INSIST on your hypothesis, when all proof goes against it?
And stating an opinion is NOT sounding harsh. It’s just – stating an opinion. Don’t worry. I am simply responding to your post – NOT in a harsh manner – so please, do not start feeling paranoid.
And why is it, that it is people who disagree with YOU who’re closed-minded, when it is YOU who cannot give any evidence for you theory, and then continue claiming it. Isn’t THAT close-minded (I BELIEVE this, an NOTHING can make ME change my mind)?
As JediHDM says: The Oracle states, that all stories of vampires or angles or ghosts or aliens, is the system assimilating a program that’s doing something it’s not supposed to.
So a program doing something it’s not supposed to being assimilated by the Matrix APPEARS as an angle, or a vampire or etc.
But they are STILL only renegade programs. Exiles, who do something they shouldn’t. And when the Matrix tries to integrate them into the main-program, they come out with what appears a powers from legendary or mythical creatures.
When a pod-human sees one of these exiles, doing something it’s not supposed to, the human can only rationalize that he/she has seen a ghost. Or an angel. That doesn't mean they ARE - even IN the Matrix. The twins - for example - are NOT ghosts. Ghosts are transparent ALL the time. Vampires drink blood. Werewolves change shape.
First off, I am noola+ahnold, so don't get confused as to why "Gus the PI" is responding.
I feel that the oracle's words can be interpreted in a different way, namely that the rogue programs have now assumed the role of these mythical creatures. I realise that my opinion could be wrong, and I am welcome to that: what I DO NOT like, though, is people saying that my opinion is "Truthfully, a load of crap!" and stuff like that when, frankly, all that you people are expressing is an opinon too.
It is possible that you are right, I'm not denying that; please understand that I am NOT attacking your views, just defending my own, harshly criticised ones. There's a difference
And another thing: while I can understand your interpretation of the oracle's words, I do not think your analysis of the nature of vampires and warewolves and ghosts is necessarily accurate. I know of some ghosts from modern culture that are NOT always transparent {E.g. spike from angel season 5}, and who is to know whether persephone drinks blood or not? PLUS - in ETM the vampires could be killed with wooden stakes
Thoughts appreciates
And another thing: while I can understand your interpretation of the oracle's words, I do not think your analysis of the nature of vampires and warewolves and ghosts is necessarily accurate. I know of some ghosts from modern culture that are NOT always transparent {E.g. spike from angel season 5}, and who knows whether persephone drinks blood or not? PLUS - in ETM the vampires could be killed with wooden stakes
Thoughts appreciated
I don't think you understand what they are saying.
The only reason we think vampires exist is because of exiled programs or programs doing something wrong, except we don't see them as programs which is why we label them vampires and as JediHDM and The Omega said the only reason we believe that Vampires or Werewolves etc can be killed by certain things is because these certains things have a certain code that can delete the program.
Think as if you were in the matrix, the only reason these myths exist is because of programs being out of line throughout the 100 year loop of the matrix, so Vampires, Werewolves, Ghosts etc etc, do NOT exist, they are all just programs and something that the adverage joe in the matrix does not understand hence they interpret it as being some odd creature such as a Vampire etc.
The Omega/JediHDM have the best most logical theory/answer to this i have heard so far. Lets hope i haven't screwed the theory in my little speech, if i have, terribly sorry.
Originally posted by Gus The PI
And another thing: while I can understand your interpretation of the oracle's words, I do not think your analysis of the nature of vampires and warewolves and ghosts is necessarily accurate. I know of some ghosts from modern culture that are NOT always transparent {E.g. spike from angel season 5}, and who knows whether persephone drinks blood or not? PLUS - in ETM the vampires could be killed with wooden stakesThoughts appreciated
The Twins can change between transparent form, meaning that ghosts can be solid or transparent. And the amulet may have altered Spike's soul which makes him solid, or something like that.
Okay, heres my little bit of magical Daedalus input (also a name from Greek mythology but no I do NOT have a son named Icarus).
If you've seen the Animatrix you'll already know who the God type character is, its that Angelic woman (supossedly "mother nature"😉 who narrates the story about the Second Renaissance.
Oh yeah and Omega, CHILL you get FAR too PASSIONATE in your POSTS *hides* Sorry, don't hurt me 😑
omega> do u really believe that ghosts inhabit abandoned buildings and rattle chains?
o, n no seraph doesnt protect god. god is a human created belief, but not a programmed thing in the matrix, a better question to ask is if there is a heaven for pplz plugged in...could their brains be saved and plugged into a DIFFERENT matrix, where everything is good and amazing w/no problems? i have no proof on this its jus an idea, becuase otherwise death is too final. im not that religious either BTW.
In reloaded Seraph explains that he protects that which matters most. Also in reloaded Morpheus gives his rousing speech in the Zion temple and proclaims something to the effect of "and after 100 years I remember that which matters most - WE ARE STILL HERE". I believe that Seraph protects the imbalance of the matrix. He helps the Oracle and Neo for this reason.
actually sleepincat, that makes more sense than anyone else, except that we dont know how long seraph and morpheus have known each other to say the same things. remember? he only showed up in reloaded, and neo was like ,"who are you?" as though he'd never seen him before, and wouldnt he have been there when neo went to the oracle the first time? obviously he protects sati, that was a given, but i think its more of the essence of sati, a program w/o limits, without a set FUTURE that makes seraph protect her. so seraph protects the future.