I must disagree with you SAtownPunk........
While all bands do want their music to be heard........punk bands want thier music to be heard by punk fans.......people who are like them and understand their music. This is completely different than popular rock bands who go on TRL because they want EVERYBODY to hear their music. Blink 182 wants fans............it doesn't matter who the fan is as long as they buy their albums. Blink 182 wants people to listen to their album even if they don't get the message (well, there aren't really any messages.......because they geared their music towards the masses to begin with)..........as long as some 12 year old kid can listen to a Blink 182 song and dance all night at her slumber party, Blink wants her to buy the album.
I guess that's a good point. Blink didn't used to cater to the masses until Enema came out. But I still like them. If they want money, then whatever. I suppose your previous statements about how that is not punk would be true. But TRL is voted on by "fans". True, Blink 182 encourages the "fans" to vote for them, but it is ultimately the "fans" decision to put them on there.(I put fans in quotation marks because I don't believe the people who vote them onto TRL erally care about the band and I doubt they ahve heard anything before Enema of the State.)
I'm curious to why you say that punk isn't it anyway charitorized by its political messages...yet you say you want to use your "punk" music to spread yours....hmmm? anyway What exactly are those political messages SAtown?.....
Can I just say thay there was definately a level of politics in the punk movement. Seriously "Anarchy in the Uk" as well as "God save the Queen" Had to be saying somting, along with Clasic Clash numbers such as "English Civil war" "Hate and War" even "police and Thieves" were relitivly political, Punk is well and truley dead, No Modern bands are punk bands. Punk could only happen when and were it did, it will not live on and it will not be successfuly re-created, what will continue to thrive though is peoples appriciation for the music that was made then and respect for the bands and music of such a significant era of sound.
ps: if any of those teenage "punkrawkers Dude" who run around with "Punks Not Dead" niko pened on the back of there skin tight white shirts read this please know that anyone who knows anything about what punk WAS is planing to kick you in the teeth.
thanx
Seriously, if people put the same amount of time and energy into medicine that they do into what is "punk" or not, we'd have a cure for cancer now. Who really gives a ****? In the big scheme of things, does it really matter? As I age, I sincerely hope that I have more to look back on and reflect on in my life than "damn, I spent precious minutes of my time laboring on what is truly punk instead of just enjoying music in general, be it Simple Plan, or the Sex Pistols, or Iggy Pop or what have you." (thanks, SAtown, for helping me to get to that level of thinking. 🙂 ) Shit, some people, in this forum and otherwise, preach the gospel of punk like some Christians do the Bible.
Oh, and I'm going to say this with the full realization that I may get a new ******* ripped into me as a consequence, but what the hell, right? In my opinion, punk isn't dead, it's evolving, much like rock as a whole is. Whether you like this evolution or not is your own choice.
That being said, and as I step off my soapbox, here's my list:
The Ramones
The Sex Pistols
Social Distortion
Rancid
The Distillers
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Operation Ivy
AFI
Blink 182
Simple Plan
Lars Frederickson and the Bastards
Good Charlotte
New Found Glory
Sum41
Green Day
Allister
Mest
Reply as you will, but please realize that your negative comments (if any) will have no bearing on my likes or dislikes. However, if you choose to talk to a brick wall, then so be it.
Punk music was characterized by political messages, but it isn't anymore. Punk is such a broad genre of music that often times there are bands that can fit into it, but they are also rock, and perhaps even rap. The punk movement was classified by political messages and slogans. I didn't mean to say that it wasn't, so sorry for the misprint.
how can you say that punk is no longer political... Nofx.....US Bombs.... Left over Crack.... Anti-Flag.... these are just a few band that are on the top of my head that fight for a purpose. they dont jsut make songs bout stupid shit and everyday life, but they express their political views on subjects. there is no way of saying that they are not "punk". granite the "punk" revolution is nothing like the Enlish version, but this aint England! and why is the usa always compared to the UK?
You disagree about what?
I'm saying that the majority of the bands who are classified as punk nowadays do not have anything to say, politically. Sure, there are still the bands like NoFX, Bad Religion, Anti-Flag, Pennywise, etc. But they have ben around for a while. Other bands that are classified as punk do not have the political messages.
I have no idea why USA is always compared to UK. I don't see any similarities. And frankly, I think the punk revolution here was better than there, especially in SoCal in the 80's.
well im not saying that all the punk bands have messages... God i know that. but what i am saying is that the ones with messages and views politically are still around and kicking strong, so punk is still around. and they are proof that "punk" did exist in the usa.
as for those other piece of shit bands... well call them "ponk"! because they seriously dont know what anything is about, except the money.
ska and punk both came from different backgrounds... when i say i like ska, i like the old schoold first and second wave, not so much of the third wave. and when the second wave came out punk was justing getting started. now if were talking bout these newwer bands then you could say that they are punk/ska bands, although personally they are more of a ska/rock, but that is jsut me!
so if anything punk whould be considered ska because ska is dated back in the 50s which punk originated with the clash and such in the late 60s i believe?
Originally posted by SAtown_punk
You disagree about what?I'm saying that the majority of the bands who are classified as punk nowadays do not have anything to say, politically. Sure, there are still the bands like NoFX, Bad Religion, Anti-Flag, Pennywise, etc. But they have ben around for a while. Other bands that are classified as punk do not have the political messages.
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And I am saying punk is dead, and the sh!t bands your talking about in my opinon are the same as every other britany spears and Christina who ever, because the politics in thier music is to appeal to an audience as "political" and its all about selling the "punk" image as "cool" so they can start a new trend and desercrate real music that back then was simply that; REAL MUSIC.
Thats why I am choosing not to participate in this forum anymore because in my opinion, people you like to think your so "punk rock" because your t-shirt says so with pink glitter confidence. Its a ****ing Joke. I would prefer to talk in a horse sh!t forum if there was at least one person with a clue about what horse sh!t was.