disappearing jedi

AS somone said a lot of the Jedi Mythos is based on Eastern phylosohy and such.

Its a mixtuer of things. If you think about it. It seem more likely that it has to do with
1. Being prepared for death
2. Giving yourself over to a transformation

Rather than actual death.
I think those strong in the force can almost cheat death by allowing there physical body to be left behind or destroyed while there life force lives on in the same existance as the rest of us. Unlike normal peopl who die.

Physics 101. Energy can not be destroyed. It only changes form. I thikn there is an act of will involved. Yoda likely knows about it already but its not something you can teach unless you have done it already. Its kind of a zen/chan thing. The dao cannot be described, when you describe the dao it is no longer what you described.

I also think that speaking to people like yoda, from the other side of death(QGJ) is not the same. Unless Quaigon actually appears before someone.

Anyway. I think I have it right. Its about being prepared for death then letting go of this physical form of life.

and here you're wrong JE... it's not because perhaps some parts are from it that you can make conclusions of your own purely based on that, cause SW can do what the heck it wants, it can even go that disappearing jedi didn't had a snack or whatever before there last duel, it's completely up to what we know of the movies and the novels, not about earthly concepts.

and yet again, if you're prepared to die and such, it insinuates it's a common trick, and than Vader wouldn't have been all surprised!

if GL deceides to brake your physics 101 (heck e=mc², he can say it's wrong for all he cares), this is science-fiction, not real life

Yes he could also sa that there is no gravity and that fire does not burn and that up is actually down.

The whole allure of sci fi is often that its fringes on what we know to be real.

And yes I could be totally wrong.
But consider some of what we have seen GL base the Jedi on. The meditations. The letting go of desire, desire leads to sorrow sorrow leads to anger anger leads to the dark side.

Thats all Buddhist stuff. Most people in search of some semblance of balance(nirvana) if you will, don't or wont know they have achieved it until they are there already. To do that yo have to stop trying so hard.

Vader/Anakin is still angry, he's angry his whole life until the end when the resolves that anger and is able to consciously let go. Let go of his anger and his physical form. Giving it over to the force. Thats also why he appear as an elder Anakin at the end not as Vader. His pure essence is revealed without the darkness. I dont think Sith are capable of it at all.

Then again, thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

you do know that with agreeing that you can't base yourself on reality, that your entire first part is pretty much useless, right?

yet again, you make it sound like it's pretty normal they can do it, and it CLEARLY is not!

Do you Write? Do you even read stories?
Take a look at almost any sci fi out there. They still use laws we as readers are familiar with. That way its not so far out that no one can relate to.

Did you even read my post or do just want to be evasive and contrary?
The sudgestions are already present.

Fact: Much of what GL uses to base the Jedi order on is eastern phylosophy.

Yes GL could go completely against what I stated earlier. It is just a theory but a sound one based on what we have observed of the Jedi and the nature of the force.

apperently you are not up to things, cause GL can overrule EVERY SINGLE BIT of physics and commen sense if that pleases him!
don't go on assuming you know things if they are not backed up by the movies themselves!

and ffs, your theory is NOT sound! it's as said totally useless!

"GL can overrule EVERY SINGLE BIT of physics and commen sense if that pleases him!"

Didn't I just say that too? Yes he can. You just like to argue don't you.
This discussion is over. Its like argueing with a 12 year old just going in circles.

ah, you know yourself well I see 🙄

You theory is not sound. 'Prepare for death' does not work. As already stated many times, it is nothoing so simple as just something one achieves- it is a plot point SPECIFICALLY tied to the events of the films. If it was as simple as you say it would have happened before. And to say that GL based much of his stuff on Eastern Philosophy- well, we've had to explain several times why Yin-Yang does not apply to SW so that is not really much of an indicator.

Originally posted by Jade_Eyes
AS somone said a lot of the Jedi Mythos is based on Eastern phylosohy and such.

Its a mixtuer of things. If you think about it. It seem more likely that it has to do with
1. Being prepared for death
2. Giving yourself over to a transformation

Rather than actual death.
I think those strong in the force can almost cheat death by allowing there physical body to be left behind or destroyed while there life force lives on in the same existance as the rest of us. Unlike normal peopl who die.

Physics 101. Energy can not be destroyed. It only changes form. I thikn there is an act of will involved. Yoda likely knows about it already but its not something you can teach unless you have done it already. Its kind of a zen/chan thing. The dao cannot be described, when you describe the dao it is no longer what you described.

I also think that speaking to people like yoda, from the other side of death(QGJ) is not the same. Unless Quaigon actually appears before someone.

Anyway. I think I have it right. Its about being prepared for death then letting go of this physical form of life.

I actually like this theory. And although I can't seem to recall where, I've heard about the energy bit of it before from a reliable source.

"Energy can not be destroyed. It only changes form"?
yeah, from your physics classes and from E=mc²

Originally posted by LanceWindu
If it is Anakin that discover's the disappearing, then why would Vader look surprised when Obi-Wan does it?

So I think it will be discovered by someone other than Anakin...

I agree with you because remember after Vader and Obi-Wan had their last showdown in Episode 4. Vader walked around looking for Obi-Wan.

So he couldn't of known that Obi-Wan gave himself to the force as did Yoda in Episoded 6.

I think you forgot that Vader was struck down by a sith Darth Sidious aka Emporer Palpatine. But Yoda was not so that still doesn;t make sense. 😕

JE, I agree with you, I've had some experience with trances and out of body stuff from some severe injuries I've had. still don't believe in any occult crap, just that there is a soul.

Originally posted by Jade_Eyes
AS somone said a lot of the Jedi Mythos is based on Eastern phylosohy and such.

Its a mixtuer of things. If you think about it. It seem more likely that it has to do with
1. Being prepared for death
2. Giving yourself over to a transformation

Rather than actual death.
I think those strong in the force can almost cheat death by allowing there physical body to be left behind or destroyed while there life force lives on in the same existance as the rest of us. Unlike normal peopl who die.

Physics 101. Energy can not be destroyed. It only changes form. I thikn there is an act of will involved. Yoda likely knows about it already but its not something you can teach unless you have done it already. Its kind of a zen/chan thing. The dao cannot be described, when you describe the dao it is no longer what you described.

I also think that speaking to people like yoda, from the other side of death(QGJ) is not the same. Unless Quaigon actually appears before someone.

Anyway. I think I have it right. Its about being prepared for death then letting go of this physical form of life.

This is exactly what I was trying to say in my last post about Obi Wan and Yoda giving themselves over to the force when it was there time to die.

Except that as repeatedly pointed out, that is nonsense. It is nothing- absolutely nothing- to do with being prepared for death or anything remotely like that.

Like we keep saying, it is a plot point connected to the story, not simply a technique that some do and some do not! Some preperation may be needed for it to wortk but that is a whole different thing.

I think that QGJ will come back in episode three and tell yoda and the council of the propeacy

Truly i hoe that it is all connected to the propeacy becuase that means that anakins destiny was turnig to the dark side and fuffilling the propheacy

have you thought that maybe it nothing to do with the person who becomes the ghost but the person seeing the ghost?
Lukes the only person to see/hear them in the filsm & Yoda only faintly hears QGJ's voice so maybe only those strongest in the force can hear/see them?

Vader might actually have dissapeared at the end of ROTJ, as his face is not seen on the funeral pyre. ObiWan and Yodas clothes don't dissapear so why sould VVaders armour/suit dissapear? (Vader wanted his helmet removed, but luke put it back on him when he was being burned, so Vader probably did dissapear, but left his vader costume behind)