Originally posted by Fire
I'm just wondering but is arwen at helms deep (I mean I've read my appendices but I seriously doubt it) true she was edited out but still, what was PJ thinking
No idea 😠
Arwen has absolutely nothing to do with the Hornburg so Im glad PJ realized that too and cut her (nearly) out...
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then I am a hardcore fan...
Originally posted by fini
uh SHE DIDN'T steal the role, the director and screenwriters CHOSE to put her there instead.WEll if u read the book the realise the importance of arwen and they couldn't just drop her out of no where to marry Aragorn. People would have been like , where the hell did she come from.
her and aragorn story is a unique one, its the 3rd time of an eternal romance between an elven madien and a man. Lol and they put some romance in the story, my mom didn't like TTT besides the aragorn and arwen story ( she likes those silly things), so i guess it made for wider appeal.
Romance in an epic is important, its the purest human emotion if done right, eg.George Lucas and John Williams were dying to do the romance of Amidala and Anakin, they were tired of just doing war and battle.
Say what you will but besides the omissions from the movies ,I AM very very thankful that PJ put this masterpiece on screen and wouldn't have him do it any other way ( mainly)
I dont know why everyone is making such a big deal about Glorfindel being gone. Hes not that important of a character. I think it was good that Arwen was there instead of him because since he was such a small character he would have just been in that part and you wouldnt have seen him after that. When Arwen was there it developed her character much more and people actually knew who she was. Because not everyone watches the movie and then goes home and reads the appendix.
But 'tis MY GLORFINDEL!!! Arwen wasn't introduced until the.....14th chapter of the first book!! But Glorfindel was introduced in the......12th chapter and if it wasn't for Glrofindel, Frodo would've died because Glorfindel would've given that special water for him to drink!! 😠 😠 And you wanna know what's good about Glorfindel1?!? He FOUGHT against a Balrog and defeated it!!!!!!!!
So don't lecture me about how being mad about getting Glorfindel cut out is childish, I have my reasons!! PJ could've atleast introduced Glorfy at Helm's Deep...*sniff* Rivendell was a free shot too!!!! FotR was the one out of the 3 movies that felt really choppy!
everyone is soooo picky, i'm the biggest LOTR fan I know (maybe 2nd), but haldir dying in TTT concearned me little, cause TTT has a lack of emotional deaths and in the long run haldir just got a quicker trip to valianor.
the really funny thing is that one of the biggest changes is IMO the cave troll in Moria in FOTR. in the book he only sticks his foot in the door then sods off when it gets stabbed by frodo. but in the movie he gets in and run amock, and even the most hardcorest fans didn't say a thing (myself included)... i just find it funny
Originally posted by undomiel
but in the movie Frodo didnt die because ARWEN saved him
*twitches* ARWEN did not save him. All Arwen did was have alot of flashy light behind her and said some Elvish doodle while Aragorn placed the Athelas plant in Frodo's wound. In the book Glorfindel is one that tends to Frodo! So nyah!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Bar-en-Danwedh
everyone is soooo picky, i'm the biggest LOTR fan I know (maybe 2nd), but haldir dying in TTT concearned me little, cause TTT has a lack of emotional deaths and in the long run haldir just got a quicker trip to valianor.the really funny thing is that one of the biggest changes is IMO the cave troll in Moria in FOTR. in the book he only sticks his foot in the door then sods off when it gets stabbed by frodo. but in the movie he gets in and run amock, and even the most hardcorest fans didn't say a thing (myself included)... i just find it funny
I know! Haldir wasn't supposed to die! He was an awesome character and PJ just HAD to have Haldir and the other elves at Helm's Deep.
Thank goodness I'm not the only one to notice that too! The Cave Troll thing was sooooooo cool though when it came in and ran amuck. Though in the book having a big Cave Troll run off by the slightest needle poke by Sting wasn't exactly an ideal fight.
Ok seriously think about it, if the movies were exactly like the books then the movies would be really long. The books are really great. When you are reading a book every single detail makes the book interesting, but when every single detail is in the movie it makes the movie long and sometimes boring. In the book Glorfindel was interesting because like I said they had every single detail but if they had all of that in the movie then they would have waisted a big portion of the movie on how Frodo got to Rivendell. When they had Arwen come instead of Glorfindel it made it shorter but still very interesting.
Originally posted by undomiel
Ok seriously think about it, if the movies were exactly like the books then the movies would be really long. The books are really great. When you are reading a book every single detail makes the book interesting, but when every single detail is in the movie it makes the movie long and sometimes boring. In the book Glorfindel was interesting because like I said they had every single detail but if they had all of that in the movie then they would have waisted a big portion of the movie on how Frodo got to Rivendell. When they had Arwen come instead of Glorfindel it made it shorter but still very interesting.
But they still could've did it with Glorfindel!!! It would've made it any longer and duuude! Arwen was NOT big character she's in only atleast I think about 30 pages worth in the books. 30 pages out of 1000.
. Arwen, along with Elrond, goes to Lothlorien. She looks in Galadriel's mirror and sees a vision of Aragorn dying at the battle. She begs to be allowed to travel to Helm's Deep to protect him by Elrond forbids her. Galadriel agrees to send a force of Lorien Elves to the battle, led by Haldir. They arrive at the battle, Aragorn doesn't die but Haldir does.
The Lorien Elves basically take the role of the Dunadain rangers (who, you will remember from the book turn up just after Helm's Deep) from there on.
There is NOTHING wrong with Arwen. Being a girl I actually found it a good idea to have SOME female representation in the movies, aside from Galadriel and Eowyn. Glorfindel doesn’t DO that much in the books. Some characters were left out. Starting with the three dwarves that Bilbo leaves with in the beginning. Going past Bombadil and Glorfindel and a host of people at the council of Elrond. And so on.
Instead the script-writers dived into the appendix of RotK, and dug out the story of Arwen and Aragon (and probably doing some book-readers a favour – namely those who got stuck in the appendix more times than one 🙂).
In the books Arwen does nothing more than sewing! Now she rides and fights as the next “guy”.
Go, Arwen!