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Nazgul, do I seriousay have to refute that half-baked argument? That argument with no sense or reason behind it? Have you read the books? Do I have to point out that Tom ios not a servant of the Dark but clearly referred to as otherwise? Do I have to point out that in all of Tolkien's writings Tom is conceptually different to anything approaching the Witch-King? Do I have to point out that the Witch-King was busy and accounted for during the time that Frodo meets him in the book? Do I have to point out that the Barrow Wights are under his power because they are inside his own domain? Do I have to point out that he was not acting like the Witch-King, without the motivations of the Witch-King, and not doing what the Witch-King would have done i.e. taken the Ring from Frodo and CERTAINLY not saved Frodo's life twice, one time from the Barrow Wights? Do I have to point out that the Witch-King has no physical form,. and nor would he be immune to the power of the Ring, as is rather evident?

Or shall I just repeat the evidence of most stupendous obviousness that shoots this down before it even starts? The Witch-King was a MORTAL MAN, contemporary to the end ot the Second Age.

Tom Bombadil is SEVERAL times referred to as pre-dating the entire Elven race and the First Age. So it is rampantly impossible.

Geez, I do not believe I just had to do that. That this idea could have taken serious hold in anyone's mind shakes my faith in the mindset of fans.

well who do you think he is, hum, i wonder

No chance, the Witch-King is entirely under Sauron's will, and as I have just pointed out, the whole thing is impossible anyway.

he could not have u never know b/c u were never ment to know by tolkien hes just like someone said b4 a character in a genius's mind

well who do you think he is ush, since he's obviously not the witchking, what is your reasoning behind it, tell us, i want to know

And all Sauron can do is say that what is clearly said about Tom in the books is a lie, so it fits his case. That is the most contemptible parts of all- just to ignore anything that might contradict what you think. Truly poor.

Anyone with sense can see this- the books make it not so.

And I already said on my page before about my thinking on who he is- I do not know, nobody knows, follow the link I gave for all the info there is.

well if you don't know who he is how can you possibly disagree with anyone who thinks he could be someone, when you yourself does not have a clue on who he might be

Errr... what is wrong with people's reasonings today?

Just because we do not know WHAT he is, does not mean that we cannot be certain that we know he is not a load of other people!

We know WHO he is, he is Tom Bombadil, we just don't know what he is. We know he is NOT the Witch-King, nor Sauron, Saruman, Radagast, Faramir, Gloin, Dain or the frigging Balrog!

He is almost certainly either a Valar or a Maia.

well ok, i'll go with that
now who do you think he is, i don't care anymore about who i think he is, or who sauron, or anyone else thinks he is, who do you, ushgarak think tom bombadil is, or what he is. what is your all mighty and all correct answer?

And I am sorry for sounding aggravated but... this really is a bad idea. And the logic behind the idea that just because I do not know what he is I cannot say who he isn't, when I can prove he is not someone, escapes me.

I don't HAVE an 'almighty and correct' answer and just because I pointed out a few facts there is no need to be like that. No-one has such an answer. He is an ancient and powerful being, most likely a Valar or Maia, whose power is tied to that of the land he inhabits, that is all we know and can ever know, barring Tolkien's ressurection and even he had no answer.

Balrog? LOL

I repeat he just IS.

This is what we know:
* He is his own master.
* He is older than the Elves.
* The ring had no power over him.

He is IMO the best character that Tolkien created.

but who is he, this thread wants to know who he is or what he is doesn't it? so who is he?

I agreenow ushgark, Actually i always felt he was a Maia, thats why I was wondering if he could possibly be the lost blue Wizard. I think it would be very clever if he was the Witch King, however the fact that the Witch King was the King of men at one point, and the fact that Tom wasnt a Numenorian makes it hard to buy. Hmm i really wish there was a solid explanation, Ushgark thanks for the sight, Very helpful!!

No problem.

However, I should point out that the Witch-King was never the King of all Men. He was most likely a Black Numenorean back at their most fledgling of times.

And it is two Blue Wizards, remember...

And Nazgul, who is he? Like I say, he is Tom Bombadil (or Iarwain Ben-adar as the Elves of old called him). Why would he be anyone else?

I personally have no idea WHO he is. I like it that way. 😉

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No problem.

However, I should point out that the Witch-King was never the King of all Men. He was most likely a Black Numenorean back at their most fledgling of times.

And it is two Blue Wizards, remember...

And Nazgul, who is he? Like I say, he is Tom Bombadil (or Iarwain Ben-adar as the Elves of old called him). Why would he be anyone else?

nazgul is what the nine ringwraiths are referred to when the are rinding one fell beasts, they are referred to ringwraiths when they are on horses

Aurora, i agree, he adds great intrest into an already Amazing world. and he will give us great discusion for many more days, However I would really like to haer more opinions on Tom, more theorys to feed my brain!!!! please keep em coming!!

Originally posted by nazgulinthedark
nazgul is what the nine ringwraiths are referred to when the are rinding one fell beasts, they are referred to ringwraiths when they are on horses

Errr... Nazgul means Ringwraith.

But in any case, I was actually referring to you by name, as you asked me who Tom was. I didn't mean to refer to the Wraiths.

Okay, let's take this seriously. He wasn't even mentioned in any other part of the trilogy, right? So, how in the heck could he be the witch king? Tom takes in a man type form, right? He is alive. The Witch-King really isn't. How could he transform like that?