Hmm.
In any case, I still say there is absolutely no evidence at all that you can sense someone because they use the Force. All we have seen so far is people sensing minds that they have sensed before. NEVER have we seen anyone use the Force to sense someone else using the Force, let alone sense him just because he is strong in the Force.
you know, when i think about it, ush is right. the only times where either of those two things ush mentioned happened, was in EU. theres nothing in cannon that states jedi can sense eachother because of the other persons force ability. they only sense others whose presence they are personally familiar with.
Indeed, I very much agree. I believe Jedi recognise minds they have sensed before the same way they would recognise a face.
Those who disagree with me use Vader's line 'The Force is Strong with this one' in ANH to say that Vader was sensing Luke's force strength. I MASSIVELY disagree with that interpretation; I believe that Vader was simply commenting on the luck/skill of his target, as the term 'May the Force be with you' and so on is often used to signify luck. I believe that if Vader really had thought he had found someone powerful with the Force he would have had a far more surprised reaction.
And his tone of voice was very much along the lines of expressing surprise at this target's skill, rather than the astonishmnet Vader would have shown if it was a Force adept he thought he was chasing.
So, I maintain we have no evidence that you can sense someone using the Force. Which makes Palpatine's cover far easier to believe.
And I still think Vader's way too serious about the Force to use it only symbollically, as a term for luck. It's clear that the rebels use it as such without being Force users themselves. In the talk with the military commanders Vader SUDDENLY brings up the Force in a military and political debate. It feels kind of awkward how he brings that up. Much like saying that it is not the will of God in Parliament while talking about abortion or euthanasia. It will feel awkward, you only do that when you really believe it. But generally people will consider such a person a "religious freak", and it's clear from his reponse that this commander (forgot his name) considered Vader as a "religious freak" as well. So for me, Vader's way too serious about that.
And what about "The Force is with him"when he refers to OB1 being on the DS? Is that just experience or that he sensed OB1 was still strong in the Force.
Palpy says the same about Luke in ESB: "The Force is strong with him." Palpy sensed Luke ("There is a great disturbance in the Force. We have a new enemy: Luke Skywalker."😉 even though he never met him, no familiar mind therefore...
So your theory's not entirely waterproof, Ush, IMHO OC.
Well, I never understood, queeq, why you think Vader's seriousness would prevent him saying that line. That argument makes no sense at all, he is in no way trivialising things. I repeat, as the pupil of someone who does not beleive in luck, what else WOULD Vader say of someone he thought was having a good day? 'The Force is strong with him', of course.
Meanwhile, when he said 'the Force is with him' about Obi-Wan, this was a remark on his competence, and on how Tarkin's cronies certainly wouldn't be able to deal with him.
When talking about Luke, they are simply talking about how powerful he actually is with the Force. They don't ALWAYS have to mean it figuratively! Stop being so literal, queeq, it's all on context. ALways seemed pretty clear to me.
So your opinoin is very humble indeed, queeq, because you have- again- said nothing that fundamentally negates any of my points.
You could try a little humbleness for size, Ush. After all, we don;t know anything for CERTAIN. You are so CERTAIN Vader only uses that line figuratively speaking (Stop taking everything so figuratively, Ush! 😉 ). You did not bring any new points in, just the same opinion as before with the same arguments. There are other people here who have not heard this debate. You put your views forward and so do I. No need to patronise.
All I was trying to say is that there are other clues to it. It seems there is more to just sensing minds. And since you believe that's the ONLY way it can happen, I tend to disagree. Your analysis is OK, it seems to make sense, but there are other things in SW that show there may be a bit more to it. Hence, not waterproof. Water resistant, maybe.
i must say again that i wholeheartedly agree with ush on the matter. it is the "best-fit"explaination. queeq has a valid point about vaders comments, however, i dont think vader had to sense that luke had a strong force ability to realize he was strong in the force. did you SEE the way he was weaving around in the trench! vader had two options: either the pilot was strong in the force or he was drunk! 🤣