all you hip-hop haters

Originally posted by jks
More talent than simply writing a poem? Sure.

This speaks volumes, evidently you also have no clue about literature. Go and read some Blake, Heaney, Byron and Coleridge, then top it all off by listening to some Anthrax. I know who I consider more talented.

Originally posted by jks
I'm not discriminating, just stating the truth about what the genre has become.

You've already admitted that you haven't listened to any recent hip hop, what then is the point in this silly debate? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. So, why don't you go out and buy some recent hip hop then come back and start kicking off. I recommend some MF Doom, CunninLynguists and Talib Kweli

Jesus Christ, not all these idiots again.

Originally posted by Healing Artisan
hip hop is alive and well, you're listening to the wrong 'hip hop'.

hip hop can be very poetic.

Cannibal Ox- Pigeon
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fYf5gRxzrIQ

Pharoahe Monch- The Truth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gyFS2OEoh3c&feature=user

MF Grimm- GOD
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KEl0GIadRUQ

Sage Francis- Crack Pipes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G4vVH3hBfs4

Common- GOD
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PZNnA3vy_2k

The Roots- Why?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=05rjOSpWIQ4

Aesop Rock- Freeze
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OBjJ9tpylZ4

Mr. Lif- Live From the Plantation
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DwRlS2UVHA8

Brother Ali- Truth Is
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RF1FLZHTEYs

incredible beats, incredible lyrics^

this is hip hop

Originally posted by Kram3r
Jesus Christ not all these idiots again.

Oi!

Originally posted by Kram3r
Jesus Christ not all these idiots again.

I got an idea. Why don't everyone just listen to what they want and stop trying to convince people to listen to what they like? In my opinion this thread is just asking for trolls, and when they come in people just give them more bait and try and debate with them. I doubt any one who came in to say hip hop and rap sucks are going to actually listen to anyone who tries to debate with them. As for the people who try to actually put reasoning behind it, they probally are so firm in their beliefs that it doesn't matter what you say. Personally I don't like Hip Hop. I have a friend who does, and thats fine. he doesn't like my Progressive rock, and we are both ok with the fact they we have different tastes. Just deal with it and appreciate what you like and stop worrying about what other people think. Highschool mentality doesn't have to last forever.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I got an idea. Why don't everyone just listen to what they want and stop trying to convince people to listen to what they like? In my opinion this thread is just asking for trolls, and when they come in people just give them more bait and try and debate with them. I doubt any one who came in to say hip hop and rap sucks are going to actually listen to anyone who tries to debate with them. As for the people who try to actually put reasoning behind it, they probally are so firm in their beliefs that it doesn't matter what you say. Personally I don't like Hip Hop. I have a friend who does, and thats fine. he doesn't like my Progressive rock, and we are both ok with the fact they we have different tastes. Just deal with it and appreciate what you like and stop worrying about what other people think. Highschool mentality doesn't have to last forever.

It's not a problem that people don't like it, there's nothing wrong with that at all. What's a problem is when people either say that it's a talentless genre and that anyone can do it, or consider it subordinate to other genres. They think that because of that self backed up opinion, they know more about what deserves artistic merit, when in fact, they only give said merit to bands or artists they personally like.

To each his own. I just think it's funny that a topic aimed at Hip Hop haters draws ignorant Hip Hop bashers to it.... Who could have known that would happen? Anyway I'm not trying to argue, I understand where you are coming from, I was just stating my opinion really. Take it for what you will.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Oi!

Pfft that's not even a REAL message. You got some computer to computerize a message FOR you. Why don't you try actually writing a response, y'know with ink and paper? *******.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
This speaks volumes, evidently you also have no clue about literature. Go and read some Blake, Heaney, Byron and Coleridge, then top it all off by listening to some Anthrax. I know who I consider more talented.

You've already admitted that you haven't listened to any recent hip hop, what then is the point in this silly debate? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. So, why don't you go out and buy some recent hip hop then come back and start kicking off. I recommend some MF Doom, CunninLynguists and Talib Kweli

Originally posted by Kram3r
Pfft that's not even a [B]REAL message. You got some computer to computerize a message FOR you. Why don't you try actually writing a response, y'know with ink and paper? *******. [/B]

the computer doesn't make beats for u. technology is technology, matters what how you use it. it's not easy.

anyway, check out the links in my post from before

Originally posted by jks
lmfao, so you actually are deluded enough to think having a computer make beats for someone is musical talent?

Computers are used all the time in music. If you want to be technical here, using a keyboard in a band is using a computer. Also, there's more genres appearing today that are being dedicated to using computers (like Electronica) to create music more so than rap. Using a studio or computer as an instrument does mean it takes less talent. Brian Wilson when putting together all the tracks for Good Vibrations practically used the studio as a cohesive element and people were astounded at what he was able to do. You clearly have NO idea about music, or in this case, rap music, if you can't grasp the level of difficulty it takes to produce using samples, computers, and even real instruments (which rap does do) in making what the consensus of the participators of this thread deem a good rap song.

Originally posted by Healing Artisan
the computer doesn't make beats for u. technology is technology, matters what how you use it. it's not easy.

anyway, check out the links in my post from before

This too.

Also, HA, I didn't really like that Grimm song, wasn't my thing. mmm

Originally posted by Kram3r
Computers are used all the time in music. If you want to be technical here, using a keyboard in a band is using a computer. Also, there's more genres appearing today that are being dedicated to using computers (like Electronica) to create music more so than rap. Using a studio or computer as an instrument does mean it takes less talent. Brian Wilson when putting together all the tracks for Good Vibrations practically used the studio as a cohesive element and people were astounded at what he was able to do. You clearly have [b]NO idea about music, or in this case, rap music, if you can't grasp the level of difficulty it takes to produce using samples, computers, and even real instruments (which rap does do) in making what the consensus of the participators of this thread deem a good rap song.

This too.

Also, HA, I didn't really like that Grimm song, wasn't my thing. mmm [/B]

Originally posted by Healing Artisan
i'm not too big on the political lyrics, but the beat is a favorite of mine.

On the other hand Why (What's going on?) is hot. 131

Originally posted by Kram3r
Computers are used all the time in music.

You clearly have [b]NO idea about music,

or in this case, rap music, if you can't grasp the level of difficulty it takes to produce using samples, computers, and even real instruments (which rap does do) in making what the consensus of the participators of this thread deem a good rap song.

Originally posted by jks
Not to do the work for the person as far as composing music goes.

Originally posted by jks
Not in the least. You have to have musical knowledge to play it. You cant hit random buttons and have a composition waiting for you.

WTF? Who is giving you this false information? No one in rap/hip-hop/whatever presses a button and an entire track is presented on a platter. The tracks are put together whether it be from sampled beats strung together or ACTUAL instruments. Also, yes, like it or not a keyboard is a computer. With the types of keyboards that are out today you barely have to know shit to make something sound half decent, that is of course subjective however so is:

Originally posted by jks
Electronica is crap, too.

Originally posted by jks
I know.

If you know it doesn't require less talent to be able to operate a computer or studio why are you debating the issue?

Originally posted by jks
What in god's name are you talking about? No one is talking about going into the studio and recording. What's being discussed is people so musically untalented that they have computers do their composing for them.

Firstly, computers can't compose, people compose and put it onto computers. Secondly that wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was that a studio in a lot of ways can be just as vital as a guitar in the process of recording, just like Good Vibrations was more recognized for changing how one makes use of the studio rather than some cool guitar playing.

Originally posted by jks
I've forgotten more about music theory than you will ever know, lol.

You're certainly not proving it.

Originally posted by jks
Missed the point entirely. I'm not arguing about what it takes to make a rap song pleasing to rap fans, I'm talking about the lack of musical talent it takes when a person can use someone else's composition or use a computer to do the work for them compared to the amount of talent it requires to perform it themselves.

Sampling in Rap music is like heavy distorted guitars in Heavy Metal, it's a recurring motif. Whether or not one has the ability to mix it in probably with other samples or recorded instruments to get the flow needed (especially for people like MF Doom, Kool Keith, etc) is where the talent lies.

JKS likes to turn up once in a blue moon, rattle his sabre and then leave.

All the while proving nothing. Just ignore him.

We all know that having the ability to CREATE music and come up with it in your mind is no less credible just because you use a computer to make it happen. If he feels otherwise he's an idiot.

-AC

for those of you who are too far advanced intellectually, I thought I'd provide some explainations of rap lyrics 😄