Tom Bombadil [merged]

Started by sauron21 pages

NO he wouldnt because he made the bombadil disguise so he could at times feel happy and kind

these nine men were all once kings of men...very proud...an advanced aragorn if you will so they dont want to be evil ALL the time...they still have there own thoughts at times..the nazgul...they just cannot act freely they MUST do what sauron wants...they are really advanced gollums too

the ring would have power of the Witch King as well, hes a slave to it and would not be able to resist taking it to his master.

yes it would over the witch king

not when he is tom, when hes tom hes an evil buster....old man willow got frozen up and one of his own wights he destroyed 😄

Originally posted by sauron
eru NEVER had physical form

witchy was the one i chose to follw...it has credible info and is fun to believe

tom is NOT a maia, and all 5 istari have not been acounted for the two blue wizards are thought to have been killed by the rising darkness in the east or to hav turned evil themselves and become mystic leaders of southrons


1) Never here has to mean not yet; one time is always the first time. Yet I also do not think so.

2) I also believe this because its fun to believe he is.
Of course its surely not what Tolkien meant, yet I think the explanations are really very logical and well-researched so I tend to this one

3) Why not? I think this would be the most logical explanation, for Tom as well as for Goldberry. Also because Maiar do obviously not grow invisible when wearing the ring because actually they are not bound to their shape so they also can probably keep it when wearing the ring. And there are hundreds, perhaps thousands or myriads of unknown and unaccounted Maiar...

yeahi know there are MAIA unaccounted for..but he was talking qbout the blue wizaeds...

and i do simply not believe tom was a maia...dont know why...just dont believe it

Yes but you referred to Maiar in general 😉

Originally posted by sauron
dont know why...just dont believe it

Easy - because he already is WItchy or Mothy...

no i said tom is NOT a maia and that the 5 istari are not accounted for as the fate of the blue wizards is unknown

This is a quote from another forum that I thought I would share:
"Bombadil was a character Tolkien had created before writing LotR, and based on one of his children's dolls. Tolkien told and wrote some stories about the doll for his children. He inserted him to LotR, mostly for this reason, but also to play role early in the story. To Tolkien, Bombadil represented the spirit of the vanishing Oxford and Berkshire English country side, but did not consider him important to the narrative of LotR"

yep ur rite...i read that 2.

u did?

i heard that too sum where
theres so many reasons he couldnt be the main one being the witch king died at pelenor fields and gandalf goes to talk to bombadil at the end of the book

my reasons why Tom Bombadil isnt the witch king

1 - Its make no sense whatsoever
2 - Tom = good, Witch King = evil
3 - he isnt affected by the Ring
4 - he didnt just kill all the Hobbit while they slept and take the ring
5 - Tom isnt Invisible
6 - how come the witch king knows farmer maggot?
7 - IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER

ok, this i took from the barrowdowns web (www dot barrowdowns dot com) in the 'themes' section

i paste and copy small parts, i suggest you read it all

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'Even in a mythical age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).' (JRR Tolkien, Letter #144)

On the nature of Tom Bombadil even the wise were able to say only little. Among the elves he was known as Iarwain Ben-Adar, oldest and fatherless, and his other names also play on his age. How he came into the world is an enigma; Goldberry remained sybillynic, naming him Master over the lands he dwelt in. Bombadil was soon left out of the specualtions of the Council of Elrond about him, as he would not care about events outside his realm, and would pay the Ring any attention, not even to destroy it.

Tolkien himself explains Tom Bombadil as the spirit of the vanishing Oxford and Berkshire countryside (c.f Letter #19), and calls him an intentional enigma (see above).

JRR Tolkien had created the character of Tom Bombadil before he wrote LOTR, and it seemed apt to him to use Bombadil in the new context of the novel. Some of the adventures Bombadil has in the likewise named collection of poems entitled 'The Adventures of Tom Bombadil' are similar to those in LOTR, i.e. his encounters with Old Man Willow and the Barrow-Wight; and it is told how he met Goldberry.

Taking all this into account may explain why Tom Bombadil has received so much attention and has caused so much speculation among Tolkien readers. Theories range from him being an incarnation of Eru the One, to sophisticated comparisons with other older myths which have been assimilated into newer mythologies in much the same way as with Bombadil. As a character from a different context, a different myth, he cannot be defined with terms of Middle-Earth. That does of course not hinder him from being there - he is.

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i pasted almos everything 😖 but go and see the page

Originally posted by Chapel
how come the witch king knows farmer maggot?

'cause farmer maggot is really Sauron!!! 🤣

Originally posted by Aurora
u did?

yes...here's the link
http://tolkien.designs.pl/arda/alphai.html

it's under Iarwain Ben-adar

Originally posted by Kitoky
It honestly is distracting...I have to agree, using that as your sig makes you seem like you just joined the forum to get guys.

Fat chance getting one.

I agree!

I was reading the link you gave Feanor and I want to thank you. It was very informative, and I should have read it long ago. It pretty much lays out all the theories of Tom excluding our Witchy theory........

I was very happy to read Tolkiens thoughts on Tom, I have not yet read The Letters (my next adventure)...... After reading the excerpts from his letters, I am more than convinced that Tolkien didn't want us to know who and/or what Tom is.

"And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally)."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 144, dated 1954

"Do you think Tom Bombadil, the spirit of the (vanishing) Oxford and Berkshire countryside, could be made into the hero of a story?"
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 19, dated 1937

"...I kept him in, and as he was, because he represents certain things otherwise left out."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 153, dated 1954

"...he represents something that I feel important, though I would not be prepared to analyze the feeling precisely."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 144, dated 1954

you are very welcome... 🙂

Thx for the quotes, Aurora, theyre interesting indeed

Originally posted by Bar-en-Danwedh
'cause farmer maggot is really Sauron!!! 🤣

😱 such an important person and we never realized that before 😱

That really gives us a very multidimensional view of the splintered personalities of Sauron and Witchy