I truely believe that tom is the valar Aule the smith and gold berry is his wife the valar yavanna
http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html
In the Silmarillion (pp. 20-21) Yanvanna's appearance is characterized as follows:
In the form of a woman she is tall, and robed in green; but at times she takes other shapes. Some there are who have seen her standing like a tree under heaven, crowned with the Sun; and from all its branches there spilled a golden dew upon the barren earth, and it grew green with corn; but the roots of the tree were in the waters of Ulmo, and the winds of Manwe spoke in its leaves.
When we first meet Goldberry, she is clad in green: "her gown was green, green as young reeds, shot with silver like beads of dew" (Rings, p. 172). When Tom officially introduces Goldberry, he says, "Here's my Goldberry clothed all in silver-green. . . ." When she says goodbye to the Hobbits, she is once again clad in green and Frodo in calling for her refers specifically to this color when he starts to look for her: "My fair lady, clad all in green!" (p. 187). This characterization of Goldberry's customary dress supports that hypothesis that she is Yavanna.
To be sure, when we first meet her, her feet are also surrounded by water, seemingly supporting the water nymph story. This circumstance, however, is not inconsistent with her tree image, which, as just noted, involved having her feet or roots in "the waters of Ulmo."
As the farewell continues, moreover, a description analogous to the tree description is given:
There on the hill-brow she stood beckoning to them: her hair was flying loose, and as it caught the sun it shone and shimmered. A light like the glint of water on dewy grass flashed under her feet as she danced."
Although still in human form, her flying hair hints at "the winds of Manwe" and the reflection of the sun from her hair suggests that she is "crowned with the Sun." The "glint of water on dewy grass" suggests the spilling of the golden dew on the earth as well as "the waters of Ulmo." When the Hobbits last see Goldberry, she is much more like a plant: "they saw Goldberry now small and slender like s sunlit flower against the sky: she was standing still watching them, and her hands were stretched out towards them." In this case, she is probably more flower than tree because Hobbits in general like flowers and are afraid of trees. The "sunlit" image is strikingly similar to Yavanna's primary nonhuman appearance.
Just as Goldberry is very similar to Yavanna, Aule the Smith, shares many common characteristics with Tom and this identification helps explain some of the events that occur in Tom's house - especially his control over the ring without any fear or temptation. Aule was the maker of all the substances of the earth: minerals, gems, and metals. During the creation of Middle-earth he was involved in nearly every aspect of its making. He prepared the sea beds to receive the waters of the ocean and prepared the land for plants and animals. As the Maker he developed and taught all arts, crafts, and skills. Of all the Valar, he had the greatest interest in the Children of Iluvatar. So impatient was he to see them that he made the Dwarves. According to the "Valaquenta" in the Silmarillion (p. 27), although Aule and Melkor were most like of all the Valar in thought and power, their attitudes toward the products of their labor and the labor of others were significantly different. While Melkor carefully guarded his works for himself and destroyed the works of others out of jealousy, Aule delighted in making, not possessing, and "he did not envy the works of others, but sought and gave counsel." It was, in fact, Aule's lack of possessiveness and his willingness to submit his work to the will of Iluvatar that saved the Dwarves from destruction and made it possible for them to receive the gift of free will from Iluvatar.
When one carefully considers the special moral characteristics of Aule, the similarities to Tom are most striking and revealing. Like Aule, Tom is not possessive. Although his power to dominate and control is always stressed - he is the master - he does not interfere with other beings except when they directly interfere with him. Although he has the power to possess whatever he may desire, he does not chose to possess or own the forest. As Goldberry explains, the animals, plants, and natural objects of the forest are all allowed to belong to themselves. This distain for ownership or possession is the reason why Tom is able to handle the ring without fear. Ultimately, all other powerful beings encountered in the trilogy, unless they are already fallen, are afraid to touch the ring lest the desire to possess it should turn them to evil. Since Tom does not want to own or possess anything, it has no power over him. We simply see his interest, curiosity, and delight as he studies the craftmanship involved in its making. Indeed, Tom approaches the ring critically, almost with scorn. While all others refer to the ring as precious in a reverent sense, Tom's use of the word, "Show me the precious ring" (Rings, 1:144), suggests irony or doubt about its value. Since the lack of desire to possess or own was extremely rare among the Valar and the beings of Middle-earth, no over Vala is said to exhibit this moral trait, it seems reasonable to assume that Tom and Aule are the same person.
It is also important to note the tremendous power and control that Tom has over the ring. He is, first of all, able to overcome its normal effects. When he puts it on his finger, he does not become invisible. When Frodo puts it on his finger, Tom is still able to see Frodo: he is "not as blind as that yet" (Ibid.). Second, Tom is able with ease to use the ring in ways that were not intended by its maker, for he is able to make the ring itself disappear. (It is possible that Sauron himself might be unable to do this, for the ring embodied a great part of Sauron's own power, drained from him during its making.) Such power over the ring, displayed almost as a parlor trick, I submit, cannot be accounted for by classifying Tom Bombadil as an anomalous nature spirit. The ability to dominate the ring suggests a Vala; the ease with which it is dominated suggests the ultimate maker of all things in Middle-earth, Aule the Smith, of whom both Sauron and Saruman were mere servants in the beginning before time
Tom Bombadil~ Maia master of the Old Forest. He was probably a Maia spirit that came to Middle Earth in the Ages of Starlight. A stout merry spirit that cannot be touched by evil. He never leaves the Old Forest but instead lingers to keep everything bothe evil and good under control.
There ya have it. Next time you make a post search it to see if someone else has started the same thing. And dont post silly things such as what.
Originally posted by orlandoOYEA
Tom Bombadil~ Maia master of the Old Forest. He was probably a Maia spirit that came to Middle Earth in the Ages of Starlight. A stout merry spirit that cannot be touched by evil. He never leaves the Old Forest but instead lingers to keep everything bothe evil and good under control.There ya have it. Next time you make a post search it to see if someone else has started the same thing. And dont post silly things such as what.
I'll try to remember your advice..
are you saying my post is silly??? or are you saying tom is silly???
Tom Bombadil is not silly
Okay once again...... (yes Kit Tom is getting noticed, woohooo)
Let me give u a rundown of what Tom is: (these are all assumptions due to Tolkien purposely leaving out alot about Tom)
* Tom is Tolkien in M.E. ( my theory)
* Tom is the Witch King (thought up and inspired by the wonderful sauron, and supported by all members of the Nazgul, Moty, Witchy, and Tom club. And a theory that I totally support also)
* Tom is a Maia
Here's what we know, He is older than the Elves, He is his own master, The Ring had no power over him
Choose the theory you support but I am telling you the Witchy story will dominate. LOL
Originally posted by Lord_Andres
THE ELVES ARE OLDER THEN THE WITCHKING SO HE CAN'T BE HIM AND IF HE WAS HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE RING FROM FRODO IN THE FIRST PLASCE
YOU MUST'VE NOT READ THE TEXT IN WHICH SAURON HAS POSTED SEVERAL TIMES!!! Which gives examples why Tom MAY be the Witch King, you don't have to raining upon our day like that.
Give us some more damn credit because we're not that damn dumb to truly believe that Tom is the damn Witch King, we're just f*cking joking to make us feel better that Tom wasn't in the first damn movie!! *takes a deep breath*