The Official Naruto series Thread

It's not like your the only person who knew or realized that though. It was hinted at heavily by Jiraiya.

Originally posted by Wil7
The best Akatsuki in fighting are:
1.Itachi
2.Pein
3.Tobi
4.Deidara
5.Kisame
6.Sasori
7.Kakuzu
8.Hidan
9.Konan
10.Zetsu

I am not counting Orochimaru.

Knowns

1. Pein(beat Jiraiya, you know, the guy who Itachi said he couldn't beat even with Kisame's help)
2. Itachi
3. Kisame
4. Sasori
5. Kakuzu
6. Deidara
7. Hidan

Unknowns:

Tobi(or his proper name, Uchiha Madara). Not really much is known about his fighting style, but what is known is that he can avoid seemingly any attack thrown at him with Time/Space jutsus, and can also travel at speeds compared to light with them. He also has en eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and could control the Kyuubi, so he is assumed to be very powerful, probably the strongest in the organization.

Zetsu. Never done anything.

Konan. Ditto.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Lemme fix that for you.

Knowns

1. Pein(beat Jiraiya, you know, the guy who Itachi said he couldn't beat even with Kisame's help)
2. Itachi
3. Kisame
4. Sasori
5. Kakuzu
6. Deidara
7. Hidan

Unknowns:

Tobi(or his proper name, Uchiha Madara). Not really much is known about his fighting style, but what is known is that he can avoid seemingly any attack thrown at him with Time/Space jutsus, and can also travel at speeds compared to light with them. He also has en eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and could control the Kyuubi, so he is assumed to be very powerful, probably the strongest in the organization.

Zetsu. Never done anything.

Konan. Ditto.

I like your opinions on things, but let me ask you something. Do you think Deidara could beat Tobi because he was the leader of there team?

Oh and just to correct you, this is what Itachi said about Jiraya

"Yeah, if we faced each other, both of us would be killed, a rather unapealing outcome. Even if there were more of us, the results would remain the same"

They would both die. Jiraiya was fighting Pein in a 6 on 1, and Jiraiya beat 1 of the bodies. If there were 6 Itachi's, Jiraiya doesn't stand a chance.

Originally posted by Wil7
I like your opinions on things, but let me ask you something. Do you think Deidara could beat Tobi because he was the leader of there team?

Oh and just to correct you, this is what Itachi said about Jiraya

"Yeah, if we faced each other, both of us would be killed, a rather unapealing outcome. Even if there were more of us, the results would remain the same"

They would both die. Jiraiya was fighting Pein in a 6 on 1, and Jiraiya beat 1 of the bodies. If there were 6 Itachi's, Jiraiya doesn't stand a chance.

Both of us, as in, both Itachi and Kisame.

Well, Pein has 6 bodies, Itachi doesn't. Fail logic.

I have no doubt that Itachi>ONE Pein, but there are six of them.

I can't remember but didn't Pein think Konan could have beaten Jiraiya? Of course he didn't know about Hermit Mode or the genjutsu but that's really got to say something about Konan. Though so far it's unproven that she's that strong. Course when do the females ever really get the spotlight in Naruto?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No. Tobi is the leader of Akatsuki, he was only pretending to be a wimp.

Both of us, as in, both Itachi and Kisame.

Well, Pein has 6 bodies, Itachi doesn't. Fail logic.

Well then couldn't Deidara have a chance at beating Sasori even though Sasori is the leader of the team.

Itachi said "If we faced each other" as in Itachi vs Jiraiya, both Itachi and Jiraiya would be killed.

Well because Pein has 6 bodies, he won. If he didn't, Jiraiya would have won.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well then couldn't Deidara have a chance at beating Sasori even though Sasori is the leader of the team.

Itachi said "If we faced each other" as in Itachi vs Jiraiya, both Itachi and Jiraiya would be killed.

Well because Pein has 6 bodies, he won. If he didn't, Jiraiya would have won.

Are you sure about that? I remember it differently.

K...Well fact is Pein DOES have six bodies.

Originally posted by Kento
It's not like your the only person who knew or realized that though. It was hinted at heavily by Jiraiya.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Like I said, I was 100% sure, even BEFORE the writers wrote what Jiraiya said.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
A chance? Sure. But Deidara directly confirmed that Sasori is much stronger.

Are you sure about that? I remember it differently.

K...Well fact is Pein DOES have six bodies.

Does that mean just because Zabuza says Haku is better means you think Haku is actually better, when all Haku did was beat Sasuke, and lose to Naruto when Naruto sucked?

There are a few ways you can interrpret it, you interrpreted it one way, and I interrpreted another.

Ok, you are still not understanding what I am saying. I am saying if Pein DIDN'T HAVE 6 BODIES, Jiraiya would woop his ass.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
A chance? Sure. But Deidara directly confirmed that Sasori is much stronger.

Irrelevent considering Deidera's feats put him above the majority of Akatsutski, including Sasori.

Microscopic bombs, bombs capable of destroying multiple blocks (at least) of surface area, the ability to fly, and fly fast enough to at least keep up with sprinting ninja and to outrun Gaara's sand, which was at least able to keep up with Kimmimaro and Rock Lee who's speed was >> then Stage 1 and 2 sharingan.

Technically, going by just abilities and no PIS he should be able to wreck any ninja who don't specialize in genjutsu or long range techniques. Anyone, including Pein's bodies, Sasori's puppets, Hidan, Kakuzu, should be obliterated.

But, that's PIS for you.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Irrelevent considering Deidera's [b]feats put him above the majority of Akatsutski, including Sasori.

Microscopic bombs, bombs capable of destroying multiple blocks (at least) of surface area, the ability to fly, and fly fast enough to at least keep up with sprinting ninja and to outrun Gaara's sand, which was at least able to keep up with Kimmimaro and Rock Lee who's speed was >> then Stage 1 and 2 sharingan.

Technically, going by just abilities and no PIS he should be able to wreck any ninja who don't specialize in genjutsu or long range techniques. Anyone, including Pein's bodies, Sasori's puppets, Hidan, Kakuzu, should be obliterated.

But, that's PIS for you. [/B]

Sasori has puppets with flamethrowers, a giant Scorpion tail, the puppet of the 3rd Kazekage which has powers identical to Gaara, at least 100 puppets he could use at once, I think more, Gaara's sand can keep up with Lee? Funny...I seem to remember Lee being able to quite easily go faster than it.

Hidan yeah, but Kakuzu is prolly fast enough to kill Deidara pretty quickly before he can make a bird and take off.

Really? And what makes you think that? Cause he can blowzor stuffzor upzor? Deidara is both slow, weak, and pathetic up close, sumthin that cannot be said for Pein.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Really? Like what? Destroying a few blocks(that was blocked by sand lol).

Sasori has puppets with flamethrowers, a giant Scorpion tail, the puppet of the 3rd Kazekage which has powers identical to Gaara, at least 100 puppets he could use at once, I think more, Gaara's sand can keep up with Lee? Funny...I seem to remember Lee being able to quite easily go faster than it.

Hidan yeah, but Kakuzu is prolly fast enough to kill Deidara pretty quickly before he can make a bird and take off.

Really? And what makes you think that? Cause he can blowzor stuffzor upzor? Deidara is both slow, weak, and pathetic up close, sumthin that cannot be said for Pein.

That was going to be able to destroy the whole village. Gaara almost didn't block it.

And yet Lee lost and gaara didn't even break a sweat. Sasori's stuff is good, but not as good as Deidara's.

He would jump over Kakuzu then make a bird. Fight over when he is in the air.

Of corse compared to Pein, duh. But compared to Hidan, Deidara is awesome.

Originally posted by Wil7
That was going to be able to destroy the whole village. Gaara almost didn't block it.

And yet Lee lost and gaara didn't even break a sweat. Sasori's stuff is good, but not as good as Deidara's.

He would jump over Kakuzu then make a bird. Fight over when he is in the air.

Of corse compared to Pein, duh. But compared to Hidan, Deidara is awesome.

2. So? Lee still was FACTUALLY faster than Gaara's sand. Proven on-panel. Sasori's stuff is better.

3. Or...Kakuzu just opens up and tangle Deidara and rips his heart out.

4. Well...Hidan is shit. Without Kakuzu he wouldn't be worth crap.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Really? Like what? Destroying a few blocks(that was blocked by sand lol).

You say sand lol like it's a negative. Kazekage Gaara would rape Sasori and all his puppets as well, so I don't really see what the lol is for.

Sasori has puppets with flamethrowers, a giant Scorpion tail,

All easily destroyable, all short range attacks.

the puppet of the 3rd Kazekage which has powers identical to Gaara,

Identical only to an extent, going from what we saw, Gaara's powers are much better.

at least 100 puppets he could use at once, I think more,

I think a few hundred. All get vaporized.

Gaara's sand can keep up with Lee? Funny...I seem to remember Lee being able to quite easily go faster than it.

I seem to remember Lee running in circles and making numerous strikes for quite some time before he could confuse it enough to get past his defenses.

Hidan yeah, but Kakuzu is prolly fast enough to kill Deidara pretty quickly before he can make a bird and take off.

Speed blitz, yeah.

Really? And what makes you think that? Cause he can blowzor stuffzor upzor? Deidara is both slow, weak, and pathetic up close, sumthin that cannot be said for Pein.

Irrelevant because Sasori and Pein are slow and pathetic from a distance. If Deidera ever got any distance at all, or even managed to pop out those microscopic bombs, it'd be over. But wait, what're you basing Deidera's slowness on? When did we ever see him fight off of his bird? I don't remember him being slow...

Originally posted by Wil7
Ok, you are still not understanding what I am saying. I am saying if Pein DIDN'T HAVE 6 BODIES, Jiraiya would woop his ass.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
You say sand lol like it's a negative. Kazekage Gaara would rape Sasori and all his puppets as well, so I don't really see what the lol is for.

All easily destroyable, all short range attacks.

Identical only to an extent, going from what we saw, Gaara's powers are much better.

I think a few hundred. All get vaporized.

I seem to remember Lee running in circles and making numerous strikes for quite some time before he could confuse it enough to get past his defenses.

Speed blitz, yeah.

Irrelevant because Sasori and Pein are slow and pathetic from a distance. If Deidera ever got any distance at all, or even managed to pop out those microscopic bombs, it'd be over. But wait, what're you basing Deidera's slowness on? When did we ever see him fight off of his bird? I don't remember him being slow...

2. All easily destroyable if Deidara isn't dead from the first wave of needles...

3. Can't really remember what the puppet did so I'll concede said point.

4. Sure they do. Before they overwhelm and destroy Deidara you mean?

5. He made a few attacks in the manga, then he easily got past the shield. Lee was much faster.

6. Yay.

7. Only Pein could do like he did Jiraiya, surround him and beat his ass. The moment Sasori started spamming his needles it would be over for Deidara? So we assume Deidara is fast? When he has shown NO speed?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
[B]1. Really? Cause I seem to recall Sasori beating the Third Kazekage, who is also called the strongest of all the Kazekage's. mmm

And until feats are found, it is heresay and vague. Not too mention it was said by a 3rd party character... meaning it's irrelevent.

2. All easily destroyable if Deidara isn't dead from the first wave of needles...

So you agree with me.

4. Sure they do. Before they overwhelm and destroy Deidara you mean?

Nah. If Chiyo-biatch can survive against 'em I don't see why he can't, at least not before he's in the air and safe from any puppets.

5. He made a few attacks in the manga, then he easily got past the shield. Lee was much faster.

Then why didn't he get past them with the first attack?

7. Only Pein could do like he did Jiraiya, surround him and beat his ass. The moment Sasori started spamming his needles it would be over for Deidara? So we assume Deidara is fast?

Or get blown up in the process. 😐

For both Pein and Sasori it depends on if they tag him before he can get airborn. If he get's airborn neither of them can touch him. Then it's just fish in a barrel.

When he has shown NO speed?

... what?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And until feats are found, it is heresay and vague. Not too mention it was said by a 3rd party character... meaning it's irrelevent.

So you agree with me.

Nah. If Chiyo-biatch can survive against 'em I don't see why he can't, at least not before he's in the air and safe from any puppets.

Then why didn't he get past them with the first attack?

Or get blown up in the process. 😐

For both Pein and Sasori it depends on if they tag him before he can get airborn. If he get's airborn neither of them can touch him. Then it's just fish in a barrel.

... what?

2. Nah.

3. Chiyo who was considered a rival of Tsunade, a Sannin was she not? Who is prolly the second greatest puppetmaster second only to Sasori. And it was actually mostly Sakura under Chiyo's control doing the physical work.

4. Because he was getting used to havin the weights off maybe?

5. Nah. Pein would be too close to Deidara for Deidara to realistically blow Pein up. Sasori definately can, needle spray of deathly deathness ftw.

6. My point is, Deidara equals slow.