If i was sam, i would have thrown him in Mountdoom my self, god, sam had to protect "Mr.Frodo" because he couldn't do it himself,and after all that stupid Mr.Frodo was gonna keep it, man,sam is stronger than Frodo....i love the character of Frodo, but let me tell you, he needed to be more independent,and learn to fight !!!!
We don't know that Sam's much stronger then Frodo.
In the Return of the King when Sam had the Ring for a little bit to save Frodo, Sam was reluctant when he gave it to Frodo. There was that long pause right there and I doubt that Sam was seeing how it affected Frodo. Sam was also affected a little. Sam has more will power, yes. But Frodo's the naiive one of the group.
Originally posted by Kitoky
He really does make a perfect Frodo, because out from the start he's all innocent and he has those beautiful rosy cheeks and he's oblivious to what's going to happen to him.I mean Rosy cheeks, he's beautiful.
from a fan of the books first & movies second, I would have liked to have seen how an older actor could have played the part more like in the book.
However I accept that this is a movie forum & also that E.Wood did an amazing job and has made the role of frodo his own, what right for the book isnt always going to be right for the films, in fact the only part P.J changed for the films i dont agree with is the elves being at Helms deep (and not even them being there which i think works, just how easy elves with thousands of years of battle experience die at the hands of scum Uruk-hai)
Originally posted by LegolasIsMyMan
If i was sam, i would have thrown him in Mountdoom my self, god, sam had to protect "Mr.Frodo" because he couldn't do it himself,and after all that stupid Mr.Frodo was gonna keep it, man,sam is stronger than Frodo....i love the character of Frodo, but let me tell you, he needed to be more independent,and learn to fight !!!!
there is more to courage than fighting.
if you dont get that frodo is the strongest person in the story you just dont get it.
Originally posted by Chapel
I would say he makes a perfect frodo for Hollywood movies of LOTR, the casting on the entire trilogy was perfect, all the actors nailed there characters.from a fan of the books first & movies second, I would have liked to have seen how an older actor could have played the part more like in the book.
However I accept that this is a movie forum & also that E.Wood did an amazing job and has made the role of frodo his own, what right for the book isnt always going to be right for the films, in fact the only part P.J changed for the films i dont agree with is the elves being at Helms deep (and not even them being there which i think works, just how easy elves with thousands of years of battle experience die at the hands of scum Uruk-hai)
Well it would indeed be interesting if an older person had portrayed Frodo but although I pictured Frodo about the same image that Elijah Wood portrayed I had no issue with that.
But when Bilbo turned 111, Frodo turned 33 which would slightly make sense if Frodo looks younger because of the small slight age expansion of Hobbits.
[i]But when Bilbo turned 111, Frodo turned 33 which would slightly make sense if Frodo looks younger because of the small slight age expansion of Hobbits. [/B]
yeah if frodo was 33 when he goes on the quest, Elijah fits a hobbit in his Tweens, but its years later 17 years after Bilbos 111 party when frodo leaves the shire.
im in no way saying Elijah was bad as Frodo, he was good for most of the time and amazing the rest.
Originally posted by LegolasIsMyMan
,my opinion still sticks, sorry, ring or no ring , you should still defend himself,and not depend on others for everything
Well, he didn't depend on anyone when he was stuck on Shelob's web. He didn't depend on anyone while he was fighting and trying to escape from Shelob's lair.
He also saved Sam when he slid down in front of the Black Gate in "The Two Towers". He did that despite being aware that they have 98% chance of being caught by the Easterlings. If he's really that worse of a wimp, he would have just ran out of fear and panic.
He was also very determined to go inside the Black Gate even by himself, despite of knowing that there are thousands of enemies beyond that gate.
But well, I think this discussion will prove nothing to you, 'coz no matter what reasons we give you for proving that Frodo's "wimpyness" and "cowardness" doesn't just have anything to do with himself but it's majorly because of the Ring and his being the Bearer of it, you've already made up your mind about him, we can't change it anymore.
So yeah, Frodo is wimpy and coward and doesn't know how to defend himself....for you...and the others who believe so, but not for me, and the others who believe otherwise.
i don't think anyone else could have done what frodo did, of course with sam's help but hey! frodo was meant to be the ring bearer, so it was his and only HIS task... whimp or not, he did it, he carried the ring from the shire to mount doom... BUT i believe that the real hero in the story is sam, frodo just did what he had to do...
in the books, everyone who touches or goes near the ring has a vision of power and what they would do when they get the ring, Boromir sees himself in Minas Tirith tryumphant and galadriel desscribes what she sees, but when sam picks it up he sees himself creating a garden so large it covers the world.
sams simple wants are what makes hims so incoruptable.
but when i read that garden vision bit in the book, I thought it was the cutest thing ever...
Originally posted by Chapel
yeah if frodo was 33 when he goes on the quest, Elijah fits a hobbit in his Tweens, but its years later 17 years after Bilbos 111 party when frodo leaves the shire.im in no way saying Elijah was bad as Frodo, he was good for most of the time and amazing the rest.
Yeah, but even though Frodo is supposed to be 50, he would have looked a lot younger because he had the ring, so it does kind of work.
Originally posted by Ariadne
Yeah, but even though Frodo is supposed to be 50, he would have looked a lot younger because he had the ring, so it does kind of work.
ohh yeah, good point.
ass for merry or pippin taking the ring, they are way to irresponsible and would probably have succumbed to the temptation of the Ring, Pippin couldnt even resist looking at a palantir.
I dont think sam could have done it either, hes a simple hobbit (and theres nothing wrong with that) and does what he does for his love of Frodo and the shire, frodo realizes what he has to do, and what will happen to himself and everything else if he fails and even if he succeeds.
hes the bravest and most famous of all hobbits.