my favorite is sam! "i cant carry the ring but i can carry u!" gotta love his courage.....samwise the brave...... also i love gollum!!!! hes so cute... ewll u know what i mean and my fav dwarf is course gimli and i like aragorn and faramir is ok and frodon rocks and PIPPIN!!!(rotk song made me cry )(so sad) and merry.... ok ok ok ok i like evry1 i cant choose one lol
Originally posted by shadowy_blue
Well in the book, Gothmog is the lieutenant to the Witch King at the Battle of the Pelennor and he took command of the forces of Minas Morgul when Murazor is not present.The description fits the orc that I was talking about in the movie perfectly so I assumed that it's him. (aside from the other Gothmog who is the Lord of the Balrog of course)
And yes, there are 2 Gothmogs, but you cannot say that neither of them is an orc because it wasn't really clarified if the Gothmog in the Pelennor is an orc, an Uruk-Hai, a Nazgul or a Man. It's possible that he's an orc, it's also possible that he's not. (unless I'm missing something)
okay, gothmog (lieutenant of morgul) entry in the encyclopedia of ARDA says: "Lieutenant to the Lord of the Nazgûl at the Battle of the Pelennor - he took command of the forces of Minas Morgul after the loss of his lord"
so you may actually have something there, but i'm pretty sure Unfinished tales says something more specific to the cause, let me do some more research, but be warned... if i turn out to be wrong i'll kill everyone who knows.
Some points of research…
1.“The source was soon revealed to be GOTHMOG, Sixth of Nine, Ringwraith and servant of Mordor... one of the terrible Nazgul”
http://harad.elendor.net/umbarnews/winter00-01.php
(some roleplaying site)
2.movie credit: Lawrence Makoare as Witch King/Gothmog
(this point takes the argument either way but I thought “what the hell”)
3.and while I’m at it the names, such as Murazor, Dwar, etc.. are all names from a trading card game. The only name given is Khamul, and that’s the name of the ringwraith 2nd in command (the one I say is gothmog).
4."Gothmog Lord of the Balrogs, high captain of Angband, etc etc..(The name was born in the thrid age by the lieutenant of Minas Morgul; The Return of the King V.6)
5.‘the Complete Guide to Middle Earth’ says gothmog is a ringwraith
as for me personally I just accepted it for some reason while reading the books. I can’t remember what made me so confident in the fact, but now that I have been put on the spot, I am unable to locate where it is written in stone that gothmog is infact a ringwraith, there is a lot of innuendo but there is NOTHING that suggests he is an orc, although it seems to widely believed. However more are of the belief that he is a Nazgul.
Things in my mind that point to it;
1.Most things named ‘morgul’ are related specifically to the nazgul. The morgul blade that infected Frodo, the Morgul wound suffered by Boromir I (steward of Gondor, father of Cirion) etc.
2.The Hierarchy of Mordor, Sauron (lord), Mouth of Sauron (Captain), The Witchking of Angmar (Lieutenant).
Witchking was lt. To Sauron but lord of Minas Morgul and Khamul was lt. of the nazgul.
3.Orcs were chaotic beings (“a ruined and terrible race”) who never trusted charge of anything… they were foot soldiers, brutish violent thugs.
That’s all I be bothered typing for now, I’ll continue this age old argument later…