Top 5 Coolest Jedi!!!

You've got to keep in mind that when Lucas made ANH, he had no idea that Star Wars was going to become a phenomenon with 2 sequels, and after 20 years 3 prequels, and that there would be something like the internet, where nerds like me would be discussing about who was the most powerful Jedi, Sith Lord etc.
When he made the first Star Wars movie, he was looking for a great ACTOR to play the part of and aged Obi Wan, and Alec Guiness did a terrific job of the role. At that time Lucas couldn't have been intensely concerned beyond a point about trying to show Obi Wan and Vader to be athletic and highly trained martial artists as well. And the same goes for Episodes 2 and 3. Mark Hamill is not a martial artist - nor is the guy who played Vader in the battle armour ( I forget his name ). And furthermore, the vision he had in his head of the Star Wars universe couldn't have been shown on celluloid with the film making technology of the time - thats one of the reasons ILM came into being - to go beyond and revolutionize the sci - fi technology of the time. Even then, Lucas himself said when the special editions came out, lot of the stuff he had in his head was not possible to put on film in the 70's and early 80's. Only at the time of Phantom Menace with advanced technology and better budgets could he attempt to fully realize his vision a part of which was to show the Jedi and the Sith to be the powerful martial artists at the level they are supposed to be. Even so how many great martial artists do you know who are also great actors ? Bruce Lee died in 73.
Keeping all this in mind, I feel we've got to read a little between the lines and give a little license for these extenuating circumstances when we compare Maul and Vader, or Obi Wan and Vader etc. Obviously the guy who acted as Maul is a more athletic and a better fighter and looks better in combat then the guy who played Vader - but here we are comparing characters, NOT the actors who played them. If we look at it that way, Vader DOES have the highest midiclorean count of all the Jedi, he was the only Jedi ( albeit fallen Jedi ) with the strength to destroy Sidious even though already old and past his prime and his hand just cut off in a duel. Plus as the story goes Vader was responsible for the destruction of ALL the Jedi except 2 ( although quite a few die on Geonosis in AOTC ) - Maul on the other hand couldn't even handle 2 Jedi forget ALL the Jedi. We haven't seen Vader in HIS prime and that will happen only in Ep.3 - for which I'm sure Lucas will have something special planned. I'm sure we're going to see a formidable warrior with great fighting abilities in single combat and also WAY more scarier then the original Vader AND way more powerful a Sith Lord then either Maul or Dooku. Of course all this would have to happen AFTER Obi Wan slams Anakin into a burning pit, and Anakin ceases to exist and Vader, Lord of the Sith is born.
Also in the Obi Wan / Vader duel in Ep.1 I think Obi Wan was slowly and surely being overwhelmed by Vader - it wasn't really an equal battle - I agree with the point that if it was equal and if Obi Wan really felt that he had a chance he wouldn't have sacrificed himself.

Sorry for rambling on so long - I'm a little new at this Forums thing.

That's all nice and dandy. I'm not talking about the technical limitations of those days. I think it's odd that GL seems to find the need to justify that he was limited in those days. Jedi fighting had to develop by itself and all.
And an aged OB1 is bogus. As I said Dooku looks older. I think Lee IS older than Guinness when he did ANH and yet, this OLD MAN beats the crap out of OB1 (sith Killer), Anakin (Chosen One) and Yoda (greatest Jedi ever). So how can being old be a limitation to a Jedi?

queeq, Yoda beats the crap out of him, not the other way around...

And mh, the person you are searching is David Prowse!

We're studying India in school. Welcome Master Harmax.

You could be right. I have no idea. I should add Christopher Lee to my fav actors list...

Thank you Cap. Rex ... great to be here.
There are plenty of real life Jedi masters in India - without the lightsabers ( they don't need them ) but Jedi nonetheless. And Sith lords too ... they use their strength with the force for darkness.

Then there are plenty of quacks - people dressing like and pretending to be Jedi but really ordinary folks like you and me.

The real Jedi usually stay in the background, and never go out of the way to reveal themselves to be the superhuman beings that they are by displaying in a spectacular, flashy way their powers -
in Sanskrit, the most ancient and refined language in the world, the name for them is " Avadhuta " in singular. Because of their habitual inconspicuousness, it is not easy to come across a genuine master - but I've had the good fortune of meeting a few in my lifetime.

From what I've gleaned from the prequel spoilers, the reason Dooku left the Jedi order was that he was upset by the death of his former padawan Qui-Gon and he no longer wanted to be part of an order which was completely under the control of a Supreme Chancellor of the republic who had authority over the great Jedi order. If this is so, then I wonder if Dooku is aware that his master Darth Sidious is Chancellor Palpatine, the very person he had no wish to serve under anymore.

Also it is not too difficult to understand that Dooku beat Obi Wan and Anakin - Dooku is supposed to be one of the most noble and powerful Jedi ever before his fall - and he has a lot of experience under his belt - Obi Wan doesn't have that experience and he hasn't been around as long as Dooku has - as for Anakin, although he IS the chosen one, and potentially the greatest Jedi off all time, he is still a boy - NOT a fully fledged master Jedi - an exceptional Padawan but still a padawan nonetheless.

I can't wait for the movie to see Yoda in an actual lightsabre duel ... showing why he is the MASTER of them all - I read somewhere a few months back that he's going to have a gold lightsabre.

I always hated the idea that

Spoiler:
Dooku is QGJs master

Originally posted by queeq
Not personally.

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Sorry, yerss, you're right about Yoda. Although, Yoda does not beat the crap out of Dooku, he gets out fine and safe.

And I disagree with saying that OB1 is unexperienced. HE fought and KILLED a Sith. Yoda never did that and probably never will. OB1 was (in TPM) and is (in EPII, III and IV) a great Jedi. That is beyond anyone's doubt.
And yet, Dooku surviving a fight with Yoda shows in what great condition he is. My point was that AGE seems to be no hindrance for both QGJ or Dooku. So GL's justification that OB1 fought slow because he was old is nonsense. He fought slow because that was the best they could come up with in those days. At least that's fair and fans understand that.

Yoda is the more peaceful type, remember? Plus, he did. He killed a B'pfashi (I think that's how you spell it) Dark Jedi on Dagobah. That's one of the reasons he lived there.

OB1 had a lucky shot. He only killed Maul because 1) Maul was being a show-off and getting cocky and 2) OB1 is in Ep. IV, so he couldn't die in Ep. I.

Sorry, no EU allowed.

From what I've read of the spoilers on swmovies.net and prequel-spoilers.com, Yoda DOES beat the crap out of Dooku. I don't think that just because Dooku escapes we should assume that Dooku managed to hold is own - we haven't yet seen the movie to know exactly HOW he managed to escaped.
Queeq you're essentially right when you say that the Obi Wan fight was slow because that was the best Lucas could come up with for the first StarWars movie - Alec Guiness was not a martial artist. But, at the same time you CAN justify this by saying that Obi Wan was old and thats why he was slow. Firstly Qui-Gon was not exactly old in TPM - he looked pretty much in his prime to me. And as for Dooku, he may be old - but he hasn't been 20 years out of action living on some desert planet in the middle of nowhere - he's been taking dark side lessons from Sidious for 10 years according to the synopsis on prequel-spoilers.com - in fact he even tells ObiWan in AOTC during their fight, that since he's begun to use the dark side his powers have been highly enhanced.
What you can't justify is that Darth Vader doen't exactly come across overwhelmingly fast and indestructible in the OT either although he's the chosen one - and that's because David Prowse is not a martial artist of the calibre of say, Ray Park. And that little detail, like Queeq says is something thats fair and the fans have to understand - and not try to explain that away by saying that Vader was old, or injured, or hampered by his armour etc. etc. and THAT'S why he doesn't look like he's the greatest.

well Obi wans skill may have lapsed due to the fact that he didnt get to practise his jedi "things" the last 20 so years of his life.

Using a lightsaber is only a miniscual part of being a Jedi. Don't forget that!

Indeed.

Personally, I have never seen anything wrong with GL's explanation of this. It's just nit-picking to dismiss it.

Well, I think it isn't.

Look it's simple. QGJ was somewhere in his fifties in TPM. He was planned to be in his 60's but that's not very feasible with the way Neeson looks.
OB1 was 25 in TPM. With 29 years between TPM and ANH, that makes OB1 54 in ANH.... Same age as QGJ in TPM. So where's the big difference, with OB1 beings "an old man", hampered by age....????

The point was that he was past his prime, queeq. QGJ was not.

It's really not that difficult to identify with unless you are deliberately trying to make if difficult.

I just think ANH is a bit less because at that time SW hadn't advanced that much as a movie.

So what makes someone go past his prime if AGE wasn't the main factor here?

How can Dooku be Qui-Gon Jinn's master!? QGJ was at least 60 in TPM. That would make Dooku in his 80's at least. QGJ's master was supposed to be over three hundred.

CAN EVERYONE PLEASE USE THE SPOILER TAGS!

I don't know where you got that one Nin

You like to say that, don't you, yers?