Rebels

hey guys,

I'm doin a project for school where i have to write an essay on sons rebelling against their fathers in movies/literature and i wanted to do it on LOTR. so, if anyone can give me examples of some from tolkiens work that would be great!!!! and maybe a little backroud info, in case i forgot the details!!!!!!!!! 🙂 🙄

eyowen rebels against her uncle, but only to aid him.
arwen rebels against father and chooses a mortal life.

but no sons in LOTR rebel aginst their fathers...

I cant think of any real rebels at the moment... except Maeglin-Eol and the whole family of Tar-Palantír.

About the first one: Aredhel, the White Lady of Gondolin and sister to Turgon king of the Gondolindrim, fled her city and in the wild forests met Eol the Darkelf who lived alone in the forests and took her to be his wife. They had a son, Maeglin (or Lómion, as his mother called him); his father told him everything about metals and forging as he was a smith, but his mother Aredhel always told him stories about the glorious elven warriors of Gondolin, and so some day she persuaded him to leave Eol. With the stolen sword Anguirel he fled to Gondolin, where he won a lot of glory because he knew a lot about metals; but his father had followed them, and he was so angry about his son that he wanted to kill him with a spear, but his wife Aredhel stepped between them and so she was killed. After rebellion against the king and his son who spoke against him, he was killed by the men of the king, thrown off the rock of Caragdûr. In his last words he cursed Maeglin and spoke a ban than Maeglin should one day die the same way as he did, and indeed after Maeglin had treated the city and told Melkor how to defeat the Gondolindrim, he was killed by falling off Caragdûr.

The other one takes place in the dark years where Saurons shadow lay over Númenor, and the King's Men were against the Elves; in these days Tar-palantír became king, and he was totally different form his father who had forbidden any contact with the elves, but Palantír was one of the elvellyn, the elf-friends, like his mother Inzilbêth, and his father also wanted Palantírs brother Gimilkhâd to become the next king. Palantír had many enemies, among them his brother Gimilkhâd and his nephew Pharazôn (who finally wedded Palantírs daughter Tar-Míriel).

Talk about detail. You could talk about Melkor or Sauron even. They rebel against Illuvatar in the Silmarillion.

i dont think eowyn rebels against her uncle thedoen, i think eomer does..... well depends on how you look at it...

Aragorn rebels against his father by rejecting his place at gondor

OOOH ERM!!!!!!!

feanor!! he rebelled 😄...

manwe: you canot go, even thougbh your jewles have been stolen by the most eveil person alive...and we are not going to do anything about it

feanor: **** off!!

*leaves*

stupid people: cant wait to get to middle earth for my certain impending doom

Feanor: burn the thingy down...we dont need those people who would certaintly be of assistance!

😄

or morgoth in the music (melkor i should say)

Ainur: WHY DO YOU BUILD ME UP.....BUTTERCUP BABY JUST TO LET ME DOWN

iluvatar: let me down

ainur: AND MESS ME AROUND

melkor: OHHHHHH MESS ME AROUND THERE BABY...IM NOT SINING TO THE TUNE OH YEA YEA YEA

ainur: what?

Faramir doesn't try and take the ring from Frodo/Sam and lets them through, his father, whose name I can't think of right now, anyways, his father the Steward of Gondor sees that as betrayal...

lol. you always make me laugh sauron 🙂

aragorns father died when he was 2 years old, and even Arathorn had been a ranger instead of a king, the kings had been awol for a while...

Originally posted by sauron
OOOH ERM!!!!!!!

feanor!! he rebelled 😄...

manwe: you canot go, even thougbh your jewles have been stolen by the most eveil person alive...and we are not going to do anything about it

feanor: **** off!!

*leaves*

stupid people: cant wait to get to middle earth for my certain impending doom

Feanor: burn the thingy down...we dont need those people who would certaintly be of assistance!

😄

or morgoth in the music (melkor i should say)

Ainur: WHY DO YOU BUILD ME UP.....BUTTERCUP BABY JUST TO LET ME DOWN

iluvatar: let me down

ainur: AND MESS ME AROUND

melkor: OHHHHHH MESS ME AROUND THERE BABY...IM NOT SINING TO THE TUNE OH YEA YEA YEA

ainur: what?

😆 😱 thats great i always think of the pilot epy of Alias when i hear that.

This is not really a father-son relationship rebellion but rather a Valar-Maia one.

Ossë, the Maia of Ulmo (Lord of Waters) rebelled against him at the early days because of Melkor's tempting words. He created chaos over the Sea and such. It didn't last long though. Uinen, Ossë's wife brought him back to his old self and to the service of Ulmo.

Question: Are the Úmanyar considered to be rebels?

No, not really, as they didnt really rebel... they just didnt join the others, but without any offence. They stayed, the others left, theres no real rebellion here.

faramir did his best to make up for losing osgiliath, which was under his care, so then he went on that suicide charge. its not really betrayal but the opposite, where daddy is nuts and the son does his best to please hsi father. maybe u cud use that example too though?

yeeah. i jsut found out i can use daughters too 🙂

hey, ush or kit or whoever, you can delete this now, my projects done 🙂

Kit, you can delete this! CUz i dont need it anymore 🙂 and no one posts on it anymore, thus it is a waste of a thread 🙂

Waste of thread? I think it's an intersting topic to talk about

so live it will