All I want is for someone to agree with me that Quentin Tarrentino is not a very original writer/director.
That's all, because alot of people, no matter how much they love his films, can't get out od denial long enough to admit it.
He just plays off of other peoples films, and overblows what makes this society so ****ed up in the first place, and that makes it hard for me to respect him as a filmmaker".
"Talk shit about Predator because it will hurt his feelings" ploy."
No......it's actually quite funny that you love Predator so much.......even though it's really a silly little sci-fi action movie.......yet bash other movies that have garnered much more success and acclaim. Predator is a good little movie.......taken for what it is. Okay, the dreadlocked alien with the cool laser gun hunts down a group of soldiers in a jungle......and alot of explosions ensue. I can dig that. I own the movie on dvd. There is nothing artistic about that movie that could even classify it as "cinema"........it's a cheap popcorn movie. I find it rather ironic that you can bash other films that have been universally praised, yet get a hard on for that movie.
You're right.......Academy Awards don't mean anything to me..........but they do in the industry. They are about respect. The industry respecting a film maker/film. While this does not make the movie any better..............doesn't it ever make you wonder why so many people (including the Academy) respect some films so much, yet you cannot see why? Perhaps the flaw isn't in the movies......or the millions upon millions of people who show respect for the movie. Perhaps the flaw lies in a smaller percentage of people who quite simply don't like a movie because they're not into the subject or genre and choose to bash it because they personally don't like it.
you could never be a movie critic. You're too much of an egomaniac......if you don't like it, it's a bad movie. It never occurs to you that, "hey.....maybe this movie wasn't made for me...maybe it was made for a whole group of other people"...............
I will liken this subject to country music. I hate country music. I cannot stand it. I realize that country music is not made for me. Is Garth Brooks a good musician/performer? You're god damned right he is. He has millions upon millions of fans. He sells out 50,000 seat arenas. That man is a good musician. Do I like his music? No. Will I ever listen to his music? No. His music isn't made for me. I'm not egotistical enough to think that if I don't particularly like something that it is bad.....I do realize there are 6 billion other people walking this earth that may love and adore it.
Jackie Brown and Kill Bill are both "homages" to film genres.......Tarantino himself says this. He didn't copy any movie particularly............he took what he liked best out of all movies in the genre and put them together into one movie to make the ulimate genre picture.
Now.........which movies did Tarantino "play off" of when he made Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, his first two and most widely acclaimed films. I would really like to know. If they are out there and I've somehow missed them I know that I must have missed something good. Please name those films for me so I can check them out. I can not think of any movie that he "jacked" to create those two films. I can truly say that to the best of my knowledge, Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs were made in a style all his own. Please inform me to the contrary so I can educate myself.
You are blowing this "Predator" thing way out of proption.
I've got the sig line, and a matching avatar. I have yet to mention Predator in any other thread, other than the "A vs P" thread. That's it, and that's that. It's a brutally original work though, that will never be duplicated.
As for Acadamy Awards. All those do is translate into studios getting more money for awards based on the opinions of a select few that probably saw the movie for free anyway. They represent approx 2% of the movie going public, not even the percentage who actually pay to go see these movies.
Movies are meant to be critiqued. Some more than others, and Quentin's work for sure. I don't appreciate filmmakers who dodn't do their own work, and just do homages, and tributes. That's not making a film, thats glueing films together the way you want to present them, and pass them off as your own.
you could never be a movie critic. You're too much of an egomaniac......if you don't like it, it's a bad movie. It never occurs to you that, "hey.....maybe this movie wasn't made for me...maybe it was made for a whole group of other people"...............
Elitist? Yes. Picky? Yes. Critical? Yes. Particular? Yes. A fan or originality? Certainly. Egomaniac? No.
You're (sadly) basing your opinion of me on two different bodies of work. Labeling me a Predator freak, and a Quentin hater.
I like Predator because it's intriguing and original. I don't like Tarrantino's works because they are filthy. Full of senseless violence, derogatory, sexist humor, and a high schoolers dialogue! That's all!
Can I not be "non-fan" of someone?
Hell, I don't like a shitload of ovies, but none of them anger me enough to critique them to a T like his do, though.
Besides, I'd never want to be a movie critic. They are worthless people wh think their opnion matters. They serve well for small minded people, who can't make up their own minds, or take risks. They never have peoples interests in mind, because it's impossible, and they are never indifferent.
sorry about the presumptions made based on your sig/avatar...........most people take the time to make a sig banner/avatar and place them in their sig to let everybody know that, that is their favorite movie. If that presumption is wrong.......don't place all the blame on me. If I see a guy walking around the street with a sandwhich board that reads "I love Predator" on both sides.......I naturally think, "man....this guy really must love that movie. It must be his favorite of all time as he chooses to display it over any other film ever made"........
As for not liking Tarantino films............nothing wrong with that. I don't like alot of movies. I just don't go around bashing movies that I don't like.........but millions upon millions of people do. I simply realize that I am in the minority.....which means the movie clearly wasn't made for me.
I must say.......your reasons for not liking his movies " Full of senseless violence, derogatory, sexist humor, and a high schoolers dialogue" is the very reason that so many do.......the very reason they get such acclaim. Jackie Brown and Kill Bill aside (which are both genre pictures)........all of those things are part of everyday life in the real world. At any given time on any given day in any given city Reservoir Dogs could be happening.....Pulp Fiction could be happening. For him to capture some of the worst aspects of every day real life and do it in an off beat, entertaining way is what makes him different.
Seriously though..........please tell me what he copied for Resevoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. I really want to know. I honestly can not think of any movies like them......ever made. I really want the names so I can watch them. I love Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction.......if there are other movies out there that are just like them, it's a good bet I'll love them too.
agreed...........I hate movie critics. Most movies are made for a particular audience. If you don't like action movies, you have no right reviewing an action movie. If you don't like horror movies, you have no right reviewing horror movies.
Being a big Tarrantino fan, you should know this.
"Reservoir Dogs" is basically a lift of an older Japanese movie called "City on Fire
Synopsis from IMDB for "City on Fire":
An undercover cop, played by Chow Yun-Fat, infiltrates a gang of thieves who plan to rob a jewelry store. The film shows how he infiltrates the gang.
Synopsis for "Reservoir Dogs:
A gang of thieves carry out an armed robbery on a Diamond warehouse. The police are after them so quickly that they suspect they have a rat in their company.
Well, well. Sound familiar?
Pulp Fiction? Thats's not a lift from a movie, but basically, once again, a bloodied up, curse word laden twist on "pulp" crime drama magazines and shows of the 40's -50's.
all of those things are part of everyday life in the real world. At any given time on any given day in any given city Reservoir Dogs could be happening.....Pulp Fiction could be happening. For him to capture some of the worst aspects of every day real life and do it in an off beat, entertaining way is what makes him different.
Different, and still unoriginal? He's the only one that does shit like that because everyone else is smart enough to know it wouldn't seem genuine, or original. With him, it is "life imitating art", or can he even distinguish the two?
For me to cite the origins of his ripoffs, only for you to say you'd enjoy them, and NOT BLAST HIM FOR BEING A HACK makes what I did pointless.
I've actually seen City on Fire, I used to have it on VHS...........other than the Mr. White/Mr. Orange friendship in Reservoir Dogs...........they are nothing alike. The plots are completely different. Yes, City of Fire was Tarantino's inspiration..........it is the movie that made him want to make Reservoir Dogs. That is pretty much where the similarities end. They are shot completely different with completely different characters. Reservoir Dogs focuses on a group of 4 guys who came to be in a situation together and how they deal with that situation. This is a far cry from City on Fire.
and for the record........I didn't like City on Fire. It was horrible. It wasn't shot very well..........the production value was crap, the characters were not fleshed out at all........the only reason I had the tape is because my friend made me a copy because I loved Reservoir Dogs and had never seen City on Fire.
If you watched those two movies and could draw a comparison......you have a much better eye than me. The idea was his inspiration......and that is all.
i'm sorry, but calling Tarantinos script "and a high schoolers dialogue" is so completely incorrect. he makes the characters talk about real shit, he makes the characters interact and makes them beleivable.
and i'm also sorry but i'm yet to see a movie that has a crime in it you dont actually see, yet you know everything that happens?