Pelennor fields numbers confusion!!Help!!!

yeah like if the rohrim didn't come, minas tirth would be wiped of the earth. It was better for gondor and rohan to fight together. This is so because Edoras would be very hard to defend if mordor came there when they defaeted gondor.,

yeah and Gandalf or Aragorn(i don't remember wich 😛) says that if they dont draw sauron's army to them 10.000 orcs will stand between frodo and Mt. Doom but it's suposed to be around let's say 100.000-200.000, ney?

Originally posted by Fingolfin Eldar
10.000 orcs will stand between frodo and Mt. Doom but it's suposed to be around let's say 100.000-200.000, ney?

✅ ✅ precisely... though I highly doubt that number.
According to the film, Sauron had still 300,000 Orcs left in Mordor when the Siege of Minas Tirith started, and between 200,000 and 300,000 Orcs fought in the Battle of Morannon

In the book, Aragorn had 6000 men at his side (originally 1000 riders + 6000 men of the infantry, but 1000 were left behind), in the film there are only about 300 left; and in the book, Sauron's troops were "10 times more" than Aragorn's army.

it was 500 in the film...i counted them 😛

Originally posted by Thorondor
it was 500 in the film...i counted them 😛

🙄

Yea, once the number 500 occurs, but in the end there are only 300.

no seriously i counted them there are 500

Originally posted by Thorondor
no seriously i counted them there are 500

Lol

then either you or the film guys are wrong 😛

*goes to recount them*

this may take a while so be patient lol 🙂

Eeps... wait a moment... here it says 500 again... no idea what thats supposed to be... sometimes it says 500 then again 300 😖 😖

Originally posted by Exa
np 😉

Yeah, they did the same in Helms Deep... which wasnt a really important battle in the book ...

Without the victory at Helm's Deep, Rohan would have never answered the call to aid Gondor. The shock of 5-6K calvary charging the flank of the Mordor host was quite a signifigant event in the battle of Peleanor Fields.

You people know nothing! Their were between 150,000 to 200,000 orcs. 6,000 Riders of Rohan, 5,000 Dead Warriors and 20 oliphaunts. And an estimated 3-5 thousand Gondar soldiers.

Originally posted by telecontari
You people know nothing! Their were between 150,000 to 200,000 orcs. 6,000 Riders of Rohan, 5,000 Dead Warriors and 20 oliphaunts. And an estimated 3-5 thousand Gondar soldiers.

Isnt that nearly exactly what we said?

And we were mostly referring to the numbers in the book - where there are "only" 45000 warriors for Mordor.

And I do not think it's the best beginning for a post to say "You people know nothing" - that might not be taken in a friendly way.

in the 2nd disc of return of the king peter jackson explained that near a million orcs were supposed to be there 😕

Originally posted by Discos
in the 2nd disc of return of the king peter jackson explained that near a million orcs were supposed to be there 😕

Supposed to be where? On the pelennor fields? Now thats kinda unrealistic 😖 where exactly is that?

Though it would be realistic as an all-in-all-number of the armed orcs of Mordor at that time - the ones from Pelennor, those that stayed in Gorgoroth and those that fought in the battles of Lórien and in the North near Dale.

perhaps I am mistaking, it is either PJ who said a million at Pellenor, or it could havebeen the narrator to the national geographic documentary

either way when Denethor looked down onto the Pellenor Fields it looked sure as shit more than 300,000

Some some reason, the numbers always change at Pelennor Fields.
Let's just say there were a crap load of orcs, Uruks, haradrum, easterling at Gondor

First of all for telecontari, we know nothing? Where are you getting your numbers from? There were 40,000-45,000 for Mordor and her allies. Gondor had just over 11,000. These are numbers from "The Atlas of Middle Earth". It was written by experts in geography and demography. I'd say they knew something. And yes Mordor had in the hundred thousands, but they were back in Mordor or attacking other fortresses in ME (Rivendell, Lolthlorien, Rohan, etc). For those of you who think there were hundreds of thousands or even millions of troops at Pelennor Fields, all I have to say is read a book. PJ totally screwed up putting the books to film. He missed so many things and then added a bunch of crap. The visuals were excellent, but the story is changed. I am so tired of all you "experts" out there who have seen three movies and never read one word that Tolkien wrote. I'm not claiming to be an expert on ME either, but I have read "The Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "The Simerillion", and other books on the subject of ME. I suggest to anyone who wants to speak with any kind of authority and knowledge on the subject, read the books before you come online claiming this and that.

Adam

Great post ✅ 👆 😊

Originally posted by Ddraiglais
There were 40,000-45,000 for Mordor and her allies. Gondor had just over 11,000. These are numbers from "The Atlas of Middle Earth".

Yep, they're the same Tolkien himself also gives. The Atlas is very reliable in questions like that... I also re-read the parts in the book, and the number of the orcs there is clearly not over 50,000.

Since we're on the subject of troops at Pelennor Fields, where were the Easterlings? My next question is which Easterlings were those at the Black Gate when Frodo and Sam almost got discovered? And finally, why did PJ leave out such colorful groups? I would have liked to see ALL of the Easterlings at Pelennor Fields.

you spelt "silmarillion" wrong

The Easterling at the black gate and the ones in which Faramir's company seen were drawn to mordor, we didnt see much of them except on the mamikul....the black gate group could have been the only easterlings to go to mordor as that would equal about the 12-15 mamikul,