Originally posted by D00m
Wouldn't surprise me if Nas did. Maybe it was Dre.... Joking. The Phone Tap beat is sick though.
^cosigns
dre killed that shit... who says nas cant spit on wc production?
but my absolute favorite is firm fiasco...
"see i like esco... he knows everybody, and everybody knows him"
Any Babbletron fans in here? If you haven't you gotta check their album Mechanical Royalty. They got some ill beats from RJD2 and MF Doom. The album's dope as f*ck. Everybody has to check it out. Haven't listened to it in a minute, but once again it's not leaving rotation.
You guys would dig these guys.
Originally posted by Wolf Dog
Hahahahah. I really am laughing, that was funny not only because you're high but because you made fun of the whole "anyone know this song?" thing. That was good. I enjoyed that. 😂 😮💨
What can i say, i finished work for 2 weeks today and im in a great mood. You gotta celebrate these occasions with some cheeba (or your vise of choice). Happy Holidays all of you guys, its been alot of fun talking to you cats this past year.
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Originally posted by D00mi'm on it ✅
Any Babbletron fans in here? If you haven't you gotta check their album Mechanical Royalty. They got some ill beats from RJD2 and MF Doom. The album's dope as f*ck. Everybody has to check it out. Haven't listened to it in a minute, but once again it's not leaving rotation.You guys would dig these guys.
Check out this new John Smith, Pip Skid, & Skratch Bastid video. DOPE!
Collecting Empties:
http://www.pegcity.com/images/collectingempties.mov
merry chistmas everybody!
my 1st here in kmc!
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I read this piece about KRS adressing the tookie situation, peep what krs has to say:
FOOD FOR THOUGHT IS BETTER THAN A MEAL
{Farewell to Stanley Tookie Williams by KRS ONE}
They killed the teacher! Said Snoop Dogg at the funeral services for Stanley Tookie Williams yesterday at the Bethel A.M.E. Church in Los Angeles. Rev. Jesse Jackson, Bruce Gordon, Minister Tony Muhammad, Stan Muhammad, Rev. Dr. Lewis E. Logan II, Minister Lewis Farrakhan and Tony Robbins all listened as Snoop Dogg brought the packed Church to its feet with a poem dedicated to Tookie entitled; Till We Meet Again. One line that caught my attention was when Snoop said, food for thought is better than a meal. This phrase stuck with me because it reminded me of man may not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedth from the mouth of the lord and coming from Snoop showed a level of maturity that I wish his Girls Gon Wild, pimps up hoes down, gansta nigga audiences would adopt.
And I am NOT being critical of Snoop at all! Ive been watching Snoop settle his beefs with others, start programs in the hood for at risk youth, seek God and denounce gang-banging publicly. But this is my point. When has a man done enough to be called rehabilitated? What must one do to be actually free from past wrongs? When is a man truly forgiven?
I arrived at the Bethel A.M.E. Church to a beautiful scene. Several blocks before we got to the Church helpful, pleasantly spoken, informative Black and Brown police officers were stationed at strategic corners directing traffic toward the Church. When we arrived at the Church we were greeted by the Fruit of Islam (F.O.I.) and escorted to the press balcony. There was literally nowhere else to be. Even members of Stanley Tookie Williams family were in the press balcony! When this was discovered, Rev. Dr. Logan II requested that the first ten rows of people give up their seats to these additional members of the Williams family and everyone promptly did what was asked.
The Church was so packed that many people were in another room outside of the main knave watching the proceedings on a huge flat screen television. When I walked into this room I saw Tookie on the screen saying, If a man must fight, let it be to the death against the beast within himself. Win that battle? No man, no woman, no racial hatred, no system, no vindictiveness, and no Machiavellianism can ever defeat you! And then he said on behalf of the children; teach them how to avoid our destructive foot steps. Teach them to strive for a higher education. Teach them to promote peace. And teach them to focus on rebuilding the neighborhoods that you, others and I helped to destroy. And I cant front, I was renewed even in my own spirit. To know that one of the most significant outlaw figures in modern American history went from criminal minded to spiritual minded gives all of us (especially those on the frontlines of ministry work, counseling, mentoring and rehabilitation work) hope in the transformation of the human heart. That our work is not done in vain.
I was totally impressed with the organization and security of the F.O.I. Hundreds of people was jammed in the Church with even more people outside trying to get in. Yet the Church and the whole block itself (Western Ave) was at peace. It was beautiful.
But as beautiful as it was, the Church was still teeming with suspicion as to why a completely rehabilitated man could not be offered at least life in prison? How was Tookie (the co-founder of the famous street gang the Crips) who spent 24 years in prison, wrote nine anti-violence, anti-gang, anti-drug childrens books, received an honorary Doctor of Humane Letters degree from St. Moses the Black Theological Seminary, was nominated six times for the Nobel Peace Prize, and received the Presidential Call to Service Award from President George W. Bush for his volunteer efforts to help steer youth away from gang lifenot rehabilitated? Theres even an award winning movie starring Jamie Foxx entitled; Redemption: the Stan Tookie Williams Story that teaches the path of rehabilitation and forgiveness. All of this, in addition to his website and phone mentoring of young people from prison, and let us not forget his plea of innocence, could not have granted this man a stay of execution. He had to die? He was that dangerous to society? Well, no one at the funeral thought so.
Tookie is dead, said Rev. Jesse Jackson. We must kill the idea of killing to stop killing. Remembering his own prayer time with Tookie, Rev. Jackson quoted Tookie saying; I admit I was a predator upon my people. We were programmed to attack Black people. Whites were safe around us; I will not be killed for what I did do, but for what I didnt do. Id rather die than lie to get clemency. And the whole Church erupted in applause and cheering! It was like they were ALL used to this process of having to lie along with the police and the District Attorney in hopes of achieving lighter sentences or no jail time at all and Tookie represented that person that never snitched or sold out to the corruption of the Judicial system. Id rather die than lie for clemency seemed to resonate with everyone there dealing with an already proven to be corrupt California corrections/prison system.
As Rev. Jesse Jackson brought to mind the fact that Charles Manson who is responsible for killing pregnant Sharon Tate and seven others is still alive in California on death row and that President John F. Kennedys assassin is also still alive, I was reading some of Tookies own words of transformation in a booklet that was being handed out throughout the Church. One paragraph read; Its impossible for a discriminable mind to fathom the miraculous transition of a redeemed soul. Contrary to the popular misconception, redemption is not a biblical ethos, exclusive to saints, prophets, elitists or the holier-than-thou. It is of earthly accessibility through human initiative. I aver that the process of being redeemed is available to any individual regardless of gender, race, color, creed, social stratum or background. Yes, even a wretched Black man, akin to the former me, can transform and be redeemed.
As I read this, I couldnt help asking myself over and over again, did Tookie have to die? Did Tookie have to die? Did Stan Tookie Williams really have to die? Son, husband, father of two, grandfather of three, minister, changed man. Was there no other way to pay that debt back to society other than the execution of a transformed man who held on to his claim of innocence all the way to the end? Tookie had to die? I dont think so. However, I find myself at a peculiar cross road in American history. First of all it should be clear to all that the title Department of Corrections is false. No one entering the prison industrial complex is being rehabilitated or rather corrected. With Tookies death it seems that no matter what you do to correct your past errors, the American justice system will still show you no mercy. Once a criminal, always a criminal.
Secondly, the idea of an Austrian born White man using the American legal system to murder a Louisiana born Black man just doesnt sit well with me. And I am not being selective or even prejudice here. But does Governor Schwarzenegger really know enough about American history, even African American history to have made a just decision on Stanley Tookie Williams life? Does Governor Schwarzeneggar care anything about the message he is sending throughout the African American community; especially to African American youths? Stanley Tookie Williams murder by the State also proves the powerlessness of the African American community and its leadership. But I wont get into that here.
Finally. In a time when Americas State and Federal agencies are being severely criticized for their seeming lack of care for the suffering of African Americans in wake of Hurricane Katrina, Governor Schwarzeneggar missed an important opportunity to restore African American hope in the Department of Corrections and America as a whole. While African Americans are dying by the dozen in Iraq, Tookies execution by the same regime African Americans are defending seems a little hypocriticaljustice wise. In a time of so much racial disunity and mass American despair due to mass unemployment, now might not be a good time for Americans to be murdering Americans legally or illegally. Governor Schwarzeneggar could have set a new precedent for our time as Americans by turning away from violence and granting Stanley Tookie Williams clemency. But thats all over now. Violence wins again! Or did it?
Tookie admitted his wrongs and paid the price of total transformation. Before his execution he talked a lot about being redeemed meaning to recover ownership of something by paying a specified sum for it. In a spiritual sense; meaning to restore to wholeness, to be saved from a sinful state of being, to return to honor and self-worth, to be free from guilt. In his last moments on earth Tookie wrote; Here and now, I bear witness that Gods bequest of redemption has replenished me with a mission and revealed that the impossible is possible. This is a strong affirmation for us today.
Stan Tookie Williams was murdered by the State of California on December 13th, 2005. We will miss you, teacher.
KRS ONE...
^^^long-ass read, but deep
this threads great, ive definitely had a lot of fun posting here. its been like an education in underground hip hop, i actually had fun learning for once. happy holidays to all of you guys as well.
that video was jokes, smitty looks like a completely different person without a beard. the beats sick too, john smith is now my favourite p & c artist, he kills that verse.
that was a long read, but worthwhile. ill admit i dont know much about this situation but everything i read pisses me off more an more.
Jacope just doesn't give up 😂
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18578&pagenumber=35#post5624101
Yes, this thread is the best. This is like my Hip Hop center, this blows any hip hop site out of the water. Can't believe i found this, thank god i did. Thanks everybody! Happy whatever!
Just found the Babbletron album. So far so good. Need to give it a couple of more listens before i can tell how i really feel about it.
Damn you people! I'm gone for five days and I miss a hardcore NBA discussion. PFFFF
I've recently bought A Tribe Called Quest "Midnight Marauder" and Chino XL "Here To Save You All" ATCQ is just ill, love the jazz influenced beats. Chino is good but I get a little tired of all the similes. When he gets serious, like on "What am I," he is excellent.
I've been wondering if DOOM might blow up into the mainstream. I was browsing the magazine racks and was amazed how much pub DangerDoom is getting. Covers, features etc. Would be very interesting if he did. Would that actually change the whole thug/bling era that's in the mainstream to where more indie/underground acts could be as popular as 50 cent or lil jon?
I don't think so. I remember a short period when Atmosphere was getting a lot of mainstream attention in magazines and on MTV but he didn't get big. I think that the majority of the people will not like indie hip hop because of the lyricism. They rap too fast and talk about different things. Mainstream is more about music you can dance to and Doom and Atmosphere isn't music you can dance to.