Dre and his camp will put it out, say they think it's brilliant and then anyone who disagrees will be met with "You're a hater" and "I've been here for years" remarks.
I don't consider Dre's albums past The Chronic to be solo. Purely because he has half of mainstream hip hop's other artists on there anyway. There were two songs out of about thirty that had no cameos, on 2001.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThe Chronic was less of a solo album than 2001. The Chronic was practically a duo album with Snoop Dogg, Snoop being the main lyricist and Dre being the producer who also rapped sometimes (somewhat like early Mobb Deep.) 2001 was all about dre, he just had a million west coast cats + Eminem to give the album a west coast posse vibe too it. It wasn't like he had luda on a track and then jay on a track and nas on a track, for the most part his guest appearances were less known west coast cats who best symbolised modern G-funk.
Dre and his camp will put it out, say they think it's brilliant and then anyone who disagrees will be met with "You're a hater" and "I've been here for years" remarks.I don't consider Dre's albums past The Chronic to be solo. Purely because he has half of mainstream hip hop's other artists on there anyway. There were two songs out of about thirty that had no cameos, on 2001.
-AC
Originally posted by daTROOF
2001 was all about dre, he just had a million west coast cats + Eminem to give the album a west coast posse vibe too it. It wasn't like he had luda on a track and then jay on a track and nas on a track, for the most part his guest appearances were less known west coast cats who best symbolised modern G-funk.
So in conclusion, it wasn't a "solo" album was it? He had someone on every track but two, and it became a means to advertise other artists.
Exactly. I have to repeat myself more and more on here these days.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI think it's time to replenish your trail of bread crumbs real quick:
So in conclusion, it wasn't a "solo" album was it? He had someone on every track but two, and it became a means to advertise other artists.Exactly. I have to repeat myself more and more on here these days.
-AC
You said that none of his albums PAST The Chronic were solo albums. That pretty much leaves 2001. In short, that'd mean The Chronic is a solo album and 2001 is not. I explained why I think 2001 was more of a solo effort than The Chronic, seeing that Snoop practically plays an equal role of importance on The Chronic and no of the guest apperances rivals Dre's presence on 2001.
Once again my point being not that 2001 is a solo effort but that it is closer to a solo effort than The Chronic, the album you excluded from your comment.
Originally posted by daTROOF
I think it's time to replenish your trail of bread crumbs real quick:You said that none of his albums PAST The Chronic were solo albums. That pretty much leaves 2001. In short, that'd mean The Chronic is a solo album and 2001 is not. I explained why I think 2001 was more of a solo effort than The Chronic, seeing that Snoop practically plays an equal role of importance on The Chronic and no of the guest apperances rivals Dre's presence on 2001.
Once again my point being not that 2001 is a solo effort but that it is closer to a solo effort than The Chronic, the album you excluded from your comment.
That's a very fair point. I can agree to the fact that it was essentially Dre/Snoop. But at most that would make it a solid joint album between two people. A solid album that came out as an album.
2001 was like a compilation. It was basically a auditory commercial. A disc full of cameos and half measures to sell albums for other people.
The best song on there, in my opinion. was Still D.R.E. Dre didn't write the lyrics on that one either did he?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI don\'t think it had anything to do with increasing album sales for other people. The people on his album save for Eminem really weren\'t being advertised, they appeared on the songs but really nobody cared about who they were. I was a kid when that album came out and I remember buying it and it sure as hell never inspired me to check out Xhibit or Kurupt or any of them cus it was all about Dre.. other\'s may have contributed to the creation but in the end he was the mad scientist.
That\'s a very fair point. I can agree to the fact that it was essentially Dre/Snoop. But at most that would make it a solid joint album between two people. A solid album that came out as an album.2001 was like a compilation. It was basically a auditory commercial. A disc full of cameos and half measures to sell albums for other people.
The best song on there, in my opinion. was Still D.R.E. Dre didn\'t write the lyrics on that one either did he?
-AC
This debate raises the question as to why it is in hip hop that producers are seen as secondary roles even though they\'re the ones making the actual music. How come when Nas gets a bunch of differenet producers to produce the music for Illmatic and it\'s his solo effort, but Dre can\'t get a bunch of different rappers to rap over his beats along with him and call it the same thing? Cameos may change from track to track but one element remains the same: D.R.E.
As far as ghostwriting, it can\'t be proven but it is likely. You can notice the change in his lyrics throughout the years. The way that he rhymes like Ice Cube when he\'s in NWA and then rhymes lik Snoop on The Chronic.. and then 10 years later starts rhyming like Eminem some of the time. It could just be the influence of being around these artists or it could be straight-up ghostwriting.