Official Inter-House Challenge Thread

Started by RebelPhoenix79 pages

Thank you Uni and Frodo 😍

Uni, we miss you! I hope you are enjoying your holiday and come back to us soon 🙂

Frodo - you're absolutely right - a theory could be as long as a novel but it's being judged on it's quality not it's length; on whether the reasons are plausible which is why for example we cut out a chunky paragraph on our one when we were writing it because we realised it was pure speculation with no basis in the books. We left the good stuff though lol 😖hifty: Also, the great thing about this challenge is if a House doesn't do too well in one Task they can totally amke up for it and even surpass the other Houses in another 😄

As for the scoring system, it's currently 'Under Construction' but will be posted very soon 🙂

but will we judge like each task and then sum all of 'em or just judge the challenge? 😕

PS: anytime 😄

It will per Task, that way each House is rewarded fairly for their performance in each task. Then those scores will be added up into a total for the challenge as a whole 🙂

Originally posted by RebelPhoenix
Ugh, if your House had submitted a long final entry - we wouldn't have moaned, it didn't say how long it had to be and some people take more space to explain things, big deal. We didn't have 'more in mind', you make it sound as if it was some pre-concocted notion to have the longest theory without the other Houses knowing. No, when I saw the other Houses entries I was like 'wow' those are long and I thought they were really cool as well even though admittedly I didn't read through them, I thought we wouldn't have much in comparison but so what, that's the way the cookie crumbles. But then, when it actually came down to constructing our one, a lot just came to mind and it turned out long.

This reminds me about the last challenge, one of the Ravenclaw prefects said ours was too long but nothing was said when due to the format of their entry theirs was bloody long too. The same was for us, due to the speech format - it looked longer but the content was less because if it had been written in paragraphs like theirs it would have been shorter. But when it came down to it they had a hell of alot more paragraphs then we did, format or not and the limit was 6 but neither were penalised so I don't see why the comment was made in the first place. Honestly 🙄

Jees Im leaving this Forum alll the Perfects are cheating like damn and what if I updated it not cuz I thought Yours was big! I just had an Idea and if you say that its not correct to do it when the deadline is then look at yourself! You dont have any proof you didnt make this up yesterday!

and how about the potions shall we post them here?? or here's an idea, we dont want to post the potions here coz ppl miht change theiors and stuff right, so why dont we all pm them to you and when u get all of em u post them all here at the same time

Originally posted by <Tidus>
Jees Im leaving this Forum alll the Perfects are cheating like damn and what if I updated it not cuz I thought Yours was big! I just had an Idea and if you say that its not correct to do it when the deadline is then look at yourself! You dont have any proof you didnt make this up yesterday!

hey take care of the way u talk about prefects or points will be taken from ur house!
and no offense but thats the way this gamne is u dont like it u r welcome to leave

PS: im a prefect btw and i DONT cheat and neither does rebelphoe!

Originally posted by <Tidus>
Jees Im leaving this Forum alll the Perfects are cheating like damn and what if I updated it not cuz I thought Yours was big! I just had an Idea and if you say that its not correct to do it when the deadline is then look at yourself! You dont have any proof you didnt make this up yesterday!

Oh, the immaturity 🙄

Listen, like Frodo said, it's just the way the game works. If you have an idea after you've posted your Final version it's too late because if we could do that every House could keep 'updating' and it wouldn't be fair, plus when would it end, everytime we would want to starts scoring someone would say 'wait! I've just had another idea!'

As for the deadline - please, for your information NONE of the Houses posted on the deadline, we all posted after it. Plus, I didn't 'make any changes' after the deadline to our entry, we just happened to be the last to post and we only just finished it, we didn't have it ages ago and also for your information I DO have proof of that - I always keep hard copies and I have it saved on my computer which automatically dates the first day it was saved and each time it was modified thereafter, I also have the PM's I sent to Rogue with my additions. We didn't post a final entry and then update it - we posted the wrong one by mistake and so posted the right one after. But hey, whatever - if you want to throw a hissy fit and leave then that's your problem.

so now we only need the scoring system, by when will u have it rp?

Well this is my proposed scoring system which I sent to Rogue & Tassie, who I'm waiting for replies from:

Task 1:
Research - 5
Originality - 3
Clarity (are the instructions easy to follow) - 2
Pre-reqs - 2

Task 2:
Simple right or wrong out of 6

Task 3:
Plausibility: 5
Originality: 5
Grammar/Spelling: 1
Clarity (was it explained properly/make sense) : 1

Total: a possible maximum of 30 marks

You are dumm! Especially the Prefects that Cheat and tell me I cant update my THeorie when you did! Before the deadline! And dont tell me your going to put away points CUz im not in Ravenclaw no more!

but they let you update your theory. . . nobody said you couldn't 😕

Ugh just get out of this thread then, if you're not a member anymore you have no business being in any of the game related threads.

You are the one whose 'dumb' if you can't understand that WE DIDN'T UPDATE OUR THEORY, we posted the wrong one by accident and then posted the right one, it was a mistake just like you posted one and then corrected it and re-posted again for spelling/grammar. Honestly you want more then everybody else, we fixed a mistake just like you did but oooh no god forbid anyone else is allowed to do that but you, if someone else does it you have to whinge and begrudge them just because you don't like it and demand the right to change final entries. You made one correction on that page and then went on to actually change your theory just because you saw ours - that is incredibly petty and you don't like it, leave because people who aren't fair and don't follow the rules aren't welcome here.

Fine ill stay but just one thing to say you got no proof that it was an 'Accedent'

I am not going to fight here but next time there is going to be true specific regulations. There is going to be a set deadline and a set specific time where no one can possibly have time to read the other entries!! this has to be coordinated next time... this was a total mess... no one knew where to send or what to send half the time.

And Uni and Reb don't mes with me on who is a better speaker because you have never seen me respond yet truly, i don't bash or show any form of hostility toward any of you yet and don't tempt me to.

Listen Raven - there were specific regulations and a deadline - not one House posted on the actual deadline so nothing could be done about that unless we take points from every House. As for not knowing where to post that's bull shit, I've posted over and over in this thread and in every House thread reminders and help on where to post and when; if you didn't read it that's your problem. For example, when I said for everyone to post Task 1 and 3 entries in here but send your answers to the Heads - people still posted their entries to the Heads instead of in here and only started afterwards or were asking where to post. Read the guidelines, they were there.

Don't mess with you? Please, did I say I was a better orator then you? Where did I say it huh? Frankly I don't give a damn if you think you're the best on the planet because all I said was what you said sounded as if Gryffindor had some pre-concocted plan to outdo the rest by posting last and the longest. So don't give me that shit about tempting you because you are going to start then you picked the right person and I am more then ready because oratory definition, rhetoric and theoretical expression verbal, written and hypothetical scenarios as well as practical and pragmatical situations dealt with in reasearch and legal policy are skills that are more the refined and practised in my living.

Originally posted by <Tidus>
Fine ill stay but just one thing to say you got no proof that it was an 'Accedent'

Didn't I say I had proof already? Fine here we go:

I hadn't been on the boards yet, I just logged in at 3.30am London time and a PM notice popped up so I went to check it, Rogue had PM'ed me this morning 2.09am London time:


Theory
This is the theory that I revised. Take a look and edit it if you find that somethign isn't clue. I don't want to submit it if you find something wrong. Does it make sense??

The reason Dumbledore trusts Snape and won’t give him the Defense Against the Dark Arts job is complex. Perhaps Dumbledore doesn’t want Snape to be tempted about going back to the dark side, thus being confronted with his past.
Snape was willing to turn in Sirius in book 3, as Lupin said: “Is a schoolboy grudge enough to put an innocent man into Azkaban?"
So, Snape still has some kind of anger. Maybe Dumbledore doesn’t want Snape as the DADA teacher because of his anger and his ever present reminder of the past.
In the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore thought that Snape was over what James did to him all those years ago and assigned Snape to teach Harry Occlumency, and later admitted that "this was an old man's mistake."
Dumbledore makes mistakes. But trusting Snape isn't one of them. True, he's a slimy butthead, but apparently he's doing SOMTHING important. And the fact that he switched sides BEFORE Voldy fell from power is something significant. Maybe he'd try to TEACH the dark arts rather than defense against them if he got the job. Dumbledore just might get desperate enough to let him have the job, but even if he did get desperate, he might keep Snape as the potions master anyway. He's really good at it apparently

Harry would definitely need an unbiased DADA teacher, because that's one subject he must do well in, considering his circumstances. Remember, Dumbledore knows that one day, Voldermorth will return and that it may the students need to be skilled in their defense against the dark arts. Just how much about the dark arts does Snape know?
It's possible that Dumbledore knows that Snape favors his own house too much and the fact that many of the other students don’t trust Snape would be against him. This stands to reason that to teach DADA, your students need to trust you. Who would want a defense teacher that they don’t trust? For all we know, they could be teaching you something wrong!
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The One and Only

~Rogue~
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This is the reply I sent him at 3.29am:
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Fw: Theory Part 1!!!

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The reasoning as to why Dumbledore trusts Snape and won’t give him the Defense Against the Dark Arts job is complex. Perhaps Dumbledore doesn’t want Snape to be tempted about going back to the dark side, thus being confronted with his past. Snape was willing to turn in Sirius in book 3, as Lupin said: “Is a schoolboy grudge enough to put an innocent man into Azkaban?" So, Snape still has some kind of anger. Maybe Dumbledore doesn’t want Snape as the DADA teacher because of his anger and his ever present reminder of the past. Also, the vital life saving point for Harry is that his most powerful weapon is and was love; it was because of his mother's love that he was and is protected from Voldemort. That suggests that even Voldemorts great power can not penetrate love, so what would be most easy for it to work through? That's right, hate. Who has deep, concealed and still thriving hate? That's right, Snape...

In the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore thought that Snape was over what James did to him all those years ago and assigned Snape to teach Harry Occlumency, and later admitted that "this was an old man's mistake." Dumbledore makes mistakes. But trusting Snape isn't one of them. True, he's a slimy butthead, but apparently he's doing SOMTHING important. Plus the fact that he switched sides BEFORE Voldy fell from power is something significant unless of course Snape somehow knew that Voldemorts crusade wouldn't be successful and decided to change sides mere to save his own skin in the future and hence Dumbledore still has reservations concerning his long term loyalty. Also, if Harry and Snape both have hate for each other and Harry does not trust Snape then that could put the Order at risk. If Voldemort can work through hate or negative emotions then it would make sense to go for the weakest link in the chain and that, with Sirius out of the way, would be Snape and Harry's distinct lack of trust and animosity towards each other as Harry is less protected around someone who doesn't like him and therefore possibly a tool to manipulate. But even if Snape is 'good' now, maybe he'd try to TEACH the dark arts rather than defense against them if he got the job. Dumbledore just might get desperate enough to let him have the job, but even if he did get desperate, he might keep Snape as the potions master anyway. He's really good at it apparently.

It might be the case that Snape is the best Potions teach Hogwarts has ever had and/or not as many witches/wizards may train in potions anymore. Just like in muggle society where there are shortages of teachers and students in certain subjects the same might be the case in the magical world. Plus due to the Voldemort era, there may have been an upsurge in the learning of direct (as opposed to potions which take longer) magical protection hence more people would be versed in DADA and there would be more for Dumbledore to choose from.

From another perspective, let us suggest that whatever Dumbledore's reasons were in the past for squashing Snapes desire, perhaps now the entrance of Harry Potter into Hogwarts has coupled with them to create new concerns if not at least enhancing old ones. For example, Harry would definitely need an unbiased DADA teacher, because that's one subject he must do well in, considering his circumstances. Remember, Dumbledore knows that one day, Voldermort will return and that the students may need to be skilled in their defense against the dark arts. Just how much about the dark arts does Snape know and will Snape teach them properly or enough? Of course, he will have a cirriculum to follow but that hasn't stopped teachers falling short of imparting knowledge before and it certainly wouldn't be unthinkable or surprising for one with a hidden agenda to somewhat 'falsify' certain facts like he did with the fake truth potion.

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That was awesome Rogue! I added tons when reading that, I've put them in red, tell me if there's anything you think ought to be left out

P.S - I've put it in two parts cos it was too long for a PM!

This was part 2 sent to Rogue at 3.31am:


Theory Part 2!
cont...

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In addition, it's possible that Dumbledore knows that Snape favors his own house too much and the fact that many of the other students don’t trust Snape would be against him. This stands to reason that to teach DADA, your students need to trust you. Who would want a defense teacher that they don’t trust? For all we know, they could be teaching you something wrong! Teachers are supposed to be authority figures that we trust and respect, people we can turn to and have confidence in to act responsibly; and at a boarding school like Hogwarts they are the only people you have other then your friends. If Snape and Harry were to ever get past their differences or trust each other or at least Harry trust Snape it would not be impossible to worry that someday for some reason that trust might be betrayed. Snape switched sides once, he can do it again.

Or perhaps the reason is a much simpler one then our overly zealous and suspicious minds recognise? Many old educational institutions have traditions, ones that are hardly changed over time even if they are no longer rules but conventions; what if Snape being Potions teacher is more to do with the fact that he is the Head of Slytherin? What if it dates all the way back to the founders? Was Slytherin adept in potions, was Gryffindor advanced in transfiguration etc, the founders may never have actually taught at the school themselves but they may have been known for what they were good at, especially as they have been deemed the greatest wizards and witches of their age. Therefore is it not possible that out of acknowledgment and respect the Heads of each House over the years has taught their special subject? Maybe it is an agreement made when a teach accepts the position that they must teach that subject and are only considered for Head is they have the ability. But of course, we'd have to know if McGonagall or the other two Heads have been teaching their one subject, if they HAD to teach it and if that was the speciality of their House Founder in order to prove this suggestion correct or incorrect. But of course, the same goes for all of the aforementioned ideas; we can only rely on estimations or even pure guesswork but hopefully sometime in the future all shall be revealed by our esteemed author Ms Rowling. 🙂
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Phew all done! Are there any bits you don't like or agree with?

I then looked at the boards and saw that Tigress and Rogue had been talking in our common room, I saw these on Pg63:

Originally posted by RoguePw25
I'll take a look at question 6.
I just finished revising the theory and PM'ed them to everyone. Take a look at it.
Originally posted by tigress
Theory is perfect.
Originally posted by RoguePw25
Thanks. I'll go post it now. in the IH thread that is.

Those three quotes were posted respectively at 2.16, 2.19 and 2.40am my time - which means that Rogue had only just waited half an hour after sending out the theory to post it in the Challenge thread without waiting for a reply from either prefect. Now Rogue may be Head Boy but what that means is that he helped start the game and he and Tassie are ONLY resorted to as Heads when the prefects can't come to an agreement themselves or need help judging or to enforce rules. The right to make official decisions about and post House entries is down to the prefects and only when prefects definitely haven't been available for a 'long' time and there is no certainty as to whether they will return in the near future can other members post their final entries which MUST at least be agreed upon in a consensus by the active House members. Now none of that criteria was fulfilled here, it was a mistake pure and simple.

Originally posted by <Tidus>
Fine ill stay but just one thing to say you got no proof that it was an 'Accedent'

Even if I wasn't there at the time, I take RebPhoe's word for it.

And if you post unnecesarily in this thread, one more time I'll leave it up to any prefect to start deducting points-- seeing as I can't be here often, btw, everyone..

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
I am not going to fight here but next time there is going to be true specific regulations. There is going to be a set deadline and a set specific time where no one can possibly have time to read the other entries!! this has to be coordinated next time... this was a total mess... no one knew where to send or what to send half the time.

And Uni and Reb don't mes with me on who is a better speaker because you have never seen me respond yet truly, i don't bash or show any form of hostility toward any of you yet and don't tempt me to.

Just PM the Head Girl, or Boy, whenever in doubt.. 😉

I don't know what the entire arguement is about, but drop it. This isn't the thread for it, and nobody is going to be "tempted to bash or show any form of hostility" AT ALL. Not only in this thread, but on this entire forum.

We always have some glitches in each Challenge, and that's to be expected.. no matter which house it is.

btw, I'm trying my best to make up for the time I've missed.. 🙂

I then posted with: at 3.35am my time which proves I hadn't checked the boards first because I was using PM's prior:

Originally posted by RebelPhoenix
ARGH!!! Omg NO!

You posted it without me getting to reply to your PM! 🙁🙁🙁🙁

I know it wasn't your fault cos it took me like 40minutes to reply - it's just that when I read your theory so much came to mind and I added TONS! Which is why it took so long! 🙁

Oh well... you still posted a great theory 🙂

Rogue replied with this at 4.13am:

Originally posted by RoguePw25
Sorry RebelPhoe. I should have waited. . .

Anyhow, I'll just go and post it again in the IH thread. Everyone makes mistakes, so I'll just repost it.

I said at 4.14am:

Originally posted by RebelPhoenix
WAIT! lol I forgot to add one bit when I PM'ed you earlier 😮

I'll write it in and then post it 🙂

Rogue said at 4.29am:

Originally posted by RoguePw25
okay. Thanks for the warning cuz I was THIS CLOSe to posting another one.

Originally posted by RoguePw25
okay. Thanks for the warning cuz I was THIS CLOSe to posting another one.

I just sent you the one that I combined your info with. Do you think that it may be a bit long?? I kind of condensed it a little.

and it goes on - which you can check for yourself, it finishes at 6.01am.

The PM Rogue was talking about is this one sent to me at 4.27am:


Re: Theory Part 2!

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RebelPhoenix wrote on 07-08-2004 07:31 PM:
cont...

Phew all done! Are there any bits you don't like or agree with?

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I liked it. This is what I did to it. The point was clear, but I thought it might be too long, so this is what I did to it.

The reasoning as to why Dumbledore trusts Snape and won’t give him the Defense Against the Dark Arts job is complex. Perhaps Dumbledore doesn’t want Snape to be tempted about going back to the dark side, thus being confronted with his past. Snape was willing to turn in Sirius in book 3, as Lupin said: “Is a schoolboy grudge enough to put an innocent man into Azkaban?" So, Snape still has some kind of anger. Maybe Dumbledore doesn’t want Snape as the DADA teacher because of his anger and his ever present reminder of the past. Also, the vital life saving point for Harry is that his most powerful weapon is and was love; it was because of his mother's love that he was and is protected from Voldemort. That suggests that even Voldemorts great power can not penetrate love, so what would be most easy for it to work through? That's right, hate. Who has deep, concealed and still thriving hate? That's right, Snape...

In the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore thought that Snape was over what James did to him all those years ago and assigned Snape to teach Harry Occlumency, and later admitted that "this was an old man's mistake." Dumbledore makes mistakes. But trusting Snape isn't one of them. True, he's a slimy butthead, but apparently he's doing SOMTHING important. Plus the fact that he switched sides BEFORE Voldy fell from power is something significant unless of course Snape somehow knew that Voldemorts crusade wouldn't be successful and decided to change sides mere to save his own skin in the future and hence Dumbledore still has reservations concerning his long term loyalty. Also, if Harry and Snape both have hate for each other and Harry does not trust Snape then that could put the Order at risk. If Voldemort can work through hate or negative emotions then it would make sense to go for the weakest link in the chain and that, with Sirius out of the way, would be Snape and Harry's distinct lack of trust and animosity towards each other as Harry is less protected around someone who doesn't like him and therefore possibly a tool to manipulate. But even if Snape is 'good' now, maybe he'd try to TEACH the dark arts rather than defense against them if he got the job. Dumbledore just might get desperate enough to let him have the job, but even if he did get desperate, he might keep Snape as the potions master anyway. He's really good at it apparently.

It might be the case that Snape is the best Potions teach Hogwarts has ever had and/or not as many witches/wizards may train in potions anymore. Just like in muggle society where there are shortages of teachers and students in certain subjects the same might be the case in the magical world. Plus due to the Voldemort era, there may have been an upsurge in the learning of direct (as opposed to potions which take longer) magical protection hence more people would be versed in DADA and there would be more for Dumbledore to choose from.

From another perspective, let us suggest that whatever Dumbledore's reasons were in the past for squashing Snapes desire, perhaps now the entrance of Harry Potter into Hogwarts has coupled with them to create new concerns if not at least enhancing old ones. For example, Harry would definitely need an unbiased DADA teacher, because that's one subject he must do well in, considering his circumstances. Remember, Dumbledore knows that one day, Voldermort will return and that the students may need to be skilled in their defense against the dark arts. Just how much about the dark arts does Snape know and will Snape teach them properly or enough? Of course, he will have a cirriculum to follow but that hasn't stopped teachers falling short of imparting knowledge before and it certainly wouldn't be unthinkable or surprising for one with a hidden agenda to somewhat 'falsify' certain facts like he did with the fake truth potion.

In addition, it's possible that Dumbledore knows that Snape favors his own house too much and the fact that many of the other students don’t trust Snape would be against him. This stands to reason that to teach DADA, your students need to trust you. Who would want a defense teacher that they don’t trust? For all we know, they could be teaching you something wrong! Teachers are supposed to be authority figures that we trust and respect, people we can turn to and have confidence in to act responsibly; and at a boarding school like Hogwarts they are the only people you have other then your friends. If Snape and Harry were to ever get past their differences or trust each other or at least Harry trust Snape it would not be impossible to worry that someday for some reason that trust might be betrayed. Snape switched sides once, he can do it again.
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The One and Only

~Rogue~

As you can see - he edited out the last paragraph I had written.

This is the reply I sent at 4.45am:

Re: Theory Part 2!
Yes, that last part was very speculative so I see why you cut it out, hmm - ok - but there's one bit I added to the end which I forgot before - here it is: (it starts after the 'he did it once and can do it again'

Snape's position is also one of a unique standing and consequently, very convenient. He's mysterious and people aren't sure whether he is good, bad or just sitting on the fence. For those who don't know he's in the Order and haven't seen him help Harry, he would appear to be quite dark as well as unnecessarily rude/mean to Harry which implies that even if he isn't officially on the bad side (and some might tolerate that out of practicality) he might still in his heart be or at least be swayed back to Voldermorts side in an uprising. He's always the first Harry suspects is up to no good and all of those traits probably make him more acceptable to the families who students reside in his House. Being a former Death Eater and current not so likeable and seemingly anti-Harry person who is also apt in potions and dark arts, his presence might be a kind of 'compromise' that Dumbledore secretly keeps in order to keep the people who are still Death Eaters 'happy' - not knowingly of course, but if DD was to make Snape DADA teacher it might threaten that security and the Death Eater families might think Snape is against them by teaching students techniques to defend themselves against them, particularly Harry.

and if you want proof of that paragraph - I can always scan the piece of paper I scrawled all over for you 🙄 and you'll see it's actually longer then the above but I was trying to shorten it because it was too long.

But basically as you can see we definitely DID NOT HAVE A FINAL THEORY which I later changed 🙄 what we had was a start, a work in progress until the very end and when I posted it in the Challenge thread - we were working on it all the way through - we hadn't had it days before in advance which was our fault and I don't like that at all but that's the way it was. IT WAS NOT AN UPDATED version where we had posted our APPROVED final entry and then decided to change it. No, Rogue had come up with an idea and just posted it - it was a MISTAKE.