about magneto´s intelligence, actually he is very, very intelligent an specialist in genetic. i think he is more intelligent then xavier and beast, and in www.marvel.com, they say he is more intelligent then iron man and he is tied with doom (but doom is probably more smart), the man that is considered the most brilliant is mr. fantastic
I base my decisions on the regularity of this life. Just as today you cannot fly and you must eat, marvel has a universe that they regulate along those lines. When they stated that Magneto is the second most powerfull mind on the planet, and Xaviar is first, that holds true. (Still have to eat). Marvel is not likely to go back on their own creation because of character preference. After stating Eric's powerlevel, they described his area being shielding, that only Xaviar could penertrate. Thus my conclusion that they colaborate in friendship and self appreciation. They were friends and untill you can change this worlds past that experience between them existed...which means it remains.
Originally posted by norrin radd
about magneto´s intelligence, actually he is very, very intelligent an specialist in genetic. i think he is more intelligent then xavier and beast, and in www.marvel.com, they say he is more intelligent then iron man and he is tied with doom (but doom is probably more smart), the man that is considered the most brilliant is mr. fantastic
www.marvel.com, the same site that says The Human Torch is a "better fighter" than SPIDERMAN?
Iron Man enrolled at M.I.T. in the electrical engineering program at 15 years of age and designed ALL of his suits.
Hank McCoy has a Ph.D. in biochemistry and cured the Legacy Virus. It has been said that Magneto "may" be a genius in genetics; however, it is known throughout the comic book universe that Hank IS a genius.
Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom were comrades in their own little esoteric circle in college, if my memory serves me correctly. Both are extremely smart.
When they stated that Magneto is the second most powerfull mind on the planet, and Xaviar is first, that holds true. (Still have to eat). Marvel is not likely to go back on their own creation because of character preference.
"When" they said that 20+ years ago, it was obviously the case. There is no way in hell that is the case now. Magneto is NOT the "2nd most powerful mind on the planet" telepathically or intellectually. Franklin Richards warps reality by simply thinking. I can just walk away with that bit of information considering that puts him first, Xavier second, and Magneto third.
The Phoenix Force magnifies the abilities of its host infinitely. Rachel is The Phoenix. She is both a telepath and telekinetic. She kicked Galactus' ass - something Magneto could never DREAM of doing (recall in Secret Wars #6 he and Xavier tried to penetrate Galactus' psionic shield and Galactus BARELY noticed the COMBINED might of BOTH).
You then have Cable and X-Man (Nate Grey/Shaman). If you are familiar with their characters, you are familiar with their psionic abilities. If not:
Cable: Cable is a mutant whose physical attributes have been enhanced to superhuman levels. His principal mutant powers are his >>>>vast telepathic and telekinetic abilities. He can employ the latter to levitate objects and to create protective force shields. He must continually employ his telekinetic powers to prevent the techno-organic virus from affecting the rest of his body. His techno-organic left arm and shoulder possess even greater strength than his entirely organic ones. Cable's techno-organic right eye can see into the infrared portion of the spectrum.
Nate Grey: Nate Grey is a mutant possessing vast psionic abilities.>>>>> Nate has so far shown telekinetic ability rivaling that of Phoenix, creating destructive psionic spikes, and lifting objects of at least 10 tons or more. Nate is also a telepath of the first order, able to create psionic illusions, read, probe and control the minds of others, and to pull a psionic entity out of the astral plane. >>>>>It is possible that, with practice, Nate Grey could be the most powerful psionic on the planet.
Both are more powerful than Magneto from a telepathic perspective. I mentioned Moondragon also, for a reason.
Moondragon: Moondragon possesses numerous superhuman powers, having been taught to achieve mastery of several psionic powers by the priests of Shao-Lom. She is a telepath able to "read" the thoughts of others and project her own thoughts into others' minds within an as yet undetermined radius. She can mentally stun or cause pain to other beings. Moondragon can also use her telepathic abilities to control the minds of others, and thus eradicate specific memories, effect personality changes, direct an individual's actions for the duration of her mental "contact," and perform other feats. It is not known how many minds she can infleunce at one time: she once maintained a psychic link with millions on the planet Ba-Banis.
Moondragon also has telekinetic powers, enabling her to levitate herself, other people, and objects. In levitating she uses psionic energy to interact with gravitons (the sub-atomic particles carrying the force of gravity) in such a way as to allow her to resist the force of gravity. She cannot fly, however, but only hover since she has no power of propulsion once she is airborne.
She also possesses the "Cosmic Mind Gem." Need I say more? It has been said that she easily rivals Xavier's telepathic prowess.
This now leaves Magneto at LEAST 6th. I can go on if you like. Wait, another one comes to mind: Psylocke.
Magneto is sooooooooo not in their league, but don't take my word for it. Ask your local comic book store owners, visit Grant Morrison's website and ask on his messageboard, ask Warren Ellis on his messageboard, ask Mark Waid or Kurt Busiek in AOL chat.
A telepath's telepathy makes him more vulnerable to a telepathic attack than someone who is not a telepath. Magneto is not a telepath but his mind is so powerfull that his ability is to resist attacks. That's his story, or was. I understand it to be a mental power but am not sure. It may be like Storm who was just trained, so i guess i'm hopeing. I'm gonna try another site to find out. I'll post the results here.
Professer Xaviar is an Omega level telepath. He can reach Lindaria in another Galaxy. He has a supply of telepathy unlimited. His weakness is that he gets tired while phoenix doesn't. She is not as powerfull telepathiclly, only stronger.
Now Magneto is 2nd most powerfull in so far that he is not a telepath but is the most powerfull mind on the planet resistant to telepathy. The only one who can take him out is the most powerfull. Thus the need for the helemt. Clear. Cool.
Magneto is a mental not a telepath. And an Omega mental.
Originally posted by norrin radd
Rachel the phoenix beat galactus ass????? Is this truth never, wow i tough galactus was way more powerful that the phoenix.
magneto is not one of the most powerful thelephats, but he is the master of magnetism, in magnetism he is number one.
Excalibur #61. She OWNED Galactus.
A telepath's telepathy makes him more vulnerable to a telepathic attack than someone who is not a telepath.
I disagree. Have any evidence to support your position?
Magneto is not a telepath but his mind is so powerfull that his ability is to resist attacks.
Incorrect. Phoenix would MELT him.
I understand it to be a mental power but am not sure.
Odd thing about this is that you rarely, if ever, see mention of this in his profiles. I personally have not.
It may be like Storm who was just trained, so i guess i'm hopeing.
As regards to Storm, it was both training and her natural willpower. Moondragon, for example, was trained as well. She'll stomp Magneto.
She is not as powerfull telepathiclly, only stronger.
??? How does one differentiate between being more powerful and "stronger" from a telepathic perspective? As Phoenix Xavier is not even in the same universe with her.
If not more powerful why is it that Xavier could not even dent Galactus' "ambient" psionic shields while Phoenix simply put him on his ass?
Now Magneto is 2nd most powerfull in so far that he is not a telepath but is the most powerfull mind on the planet resistant to telepathy.
LoL, no he is NOT. Have any evidence to support this?
Magneto is a mental not a telepath.
He is not a "mental." Have any evidence to support this?
Professer Xaviar is an Omega level telepath. He can reach Lindaria in another Galaxy. He has a supply of telepathy unlimited.
Where did you read this? If that is the case, why is it that he needs Cerebro to amplify his powers so that he can locate one mutant on this PLANET?
Originally posted by Red Superfly
I have a comic where Cyclops slices Magnetos helmet in order for Xavier to stop Magneto from using his powers on Wolverine (again he tried to rip the adamantium of his skeleton). This is where Magneto cannot use his powers, and because of this, Wolverine stabs Magneto.
I remember a comic showing Wolverine stabbing Magneto, but I think Magneto couldn't extract the adamantium because he was reacting to an illusion of an attacking Wolverine (Magneto didn't have his helmet on and thus was vulnerable to this).
Originally posted by Never
Honestly cannot recall, would have to fetch the comic book. I just do not remember Magneto's helmet augmenting his telepathic ability or serving as a bulwark of sorts.
Remember the trial of Magneto. At the end, he was tempted to use the enhancements of his helmet to convince all of humanity that mutants are not bad. It took Captain America to persuade him not to do it.