The One Ring: power & influences [merged]

Started by Discos16 pages

whats that face for boy

Discos - gollum is weak, just like humans......foolish mortals

that face was for you child!

j/k

I don't really understand the question. 😕

I'll try to answer it though. Hobbits are less tempted by the power of the Ring, because they do not hope for much power and domination over others, they do not necessarily wish to be mighty and powerful and they could be happy and contented with peaceful life. When Sam was tempted by the Ring in the Tower of Cirith Ungol, he only saw himself as the greatest gardener in Middle-earth, nothing more. They were that naive, and innocent.

It doesn't necessarily mean though that it's impossible for them to be tempted. Sam and Deagol were also tempted, and Smeagol and Frodo were REALLY tempted. They took the Ring and claimed it as their own.

About the Ring's power and Gollum, this is the same thing why Galadriel and Gandalf were resisting to take the Ring and destroy it, they are very powerful, they were aware that they could also be tempted if they held it for long, they both knew that the Ring will wield too much power if It was held by a very powerful creature.

The power of the Ring also depends on Its wearer.

Okay - run it by me again how Sauron doesn't disappear when he puts the Ring on?

hmmm, I was wondering the same things

erm, lol he made the ring and is a maia,

I dont know, some things man shouldn't know....

Discos - for everything else theres google 🙂

Originally posted by Kitoky
Okay - run it by me again how Sauron doesn't disappear when he puts the Ring on?

*was wonderin' the same thing...*

kit...ur never on anymore...*miss' kit*

Originally posted by Smodden
*was wonderin' the same thing...*

kit...ur never on anymore...*miss' kit*

*pat pat*

There there, buddy.

I've been busy so. Sorry. But i have kept this forum neat and tidy.

*appreciates kits hard work*

👆...good to see you.....finaly

Originally posted by Kitoky
Okay - run it by me again how Sauron doesn't disappear when he puts the Ring on?

First of, nice to see you back, Kit. ✅ 😄

Anyways..

1. I don't think Sauron is supposed to be invisibe when he wears The Ring. Isn't the source of invisibility a force that draws one to Sauron? Since Sauron is the forger of The Ring, he was able to revolutionize into many forms with the power of The Ring.

2. Sauron created the Ring with himself as the only intended bearer. The Ring was imbued with the will and power to enslave Its bearer, and I believe the invisibility It bestowed was a part of that -- pulling the bearer into the Wraith World, like the Nazgul's rings had done to them. With the exceptions of Sauron and other beings with a strong enough will to possess The Ring rather than be possessed by It, I believe the One Ring would have had the same effect on Its bearer as those rings given to Men. The Ring's bearer becoming invisible was, I believe, an indication that the bearer's will was weaker than that of the Ring.

3. Did Mr. Bombadil not put on The Ring? Did he disappear? No, good old Tom stayed visible. Perhaps, (assuming Tom is a Maia, anyhow he is very powerful) here's a classic example of "you must have power to wield power". Others can wear It, but It will be controlling them, and they will actually lose their visual forms. Those who have the great and unfathomable power are not subject to The Ring's invisibility "gift".

But just to make this short since I have no idea if I'm making any sense here...

Sauron controlled The Ring. (hence, he doesn't turn invisible)
When other weaker bearers bore It, It controlled them.

🙂

I think Sauron's just a very clever chappy.

Only an angel could possibly hope to control the Ring to any extent. Sauron made it - it comprises a great part of his native element. Gandalf makes this very very clear early on: ANY mortal trying to wield the Ring will INSTANTLY be the RING'S tool, NEVER the other way around.

Originally posted by Kitoky
Okay - run it by me again how Sauron doesn't disappear when he puts the Ring on?

Sauron already exists in the spirit world - the maiar just use their physical form like clothing.

The equation simplified:

The Ring = X+M
Sauron with the Ring = S+M
Sauron without the Ring = S
Sauron after the Ring is destroyed = S-X

Originally posted by shadowy_blue
First of, nice to see you back, Kit. ✅ 😄

Anyways..

1. I don't think Sauron is supposed to be invisibe when he wears The Ring. Isn't the source of invisibility a force that draws one to Sauron? Since Sauron is the forger of The Ring, he was able to revolutionize into many forms with the power of The Ring.

2. Sauron created the Ring with himself as the only intended bearer. The Ring was imbued with the will and power to enslave Its bearer, and I believe the invisibility It bestowed was a part of that -- pulling the bearer into the Wraith World, like the Nazgul's rings had done to them. With the exceptions of Sauron and other beings with a strong enough will to possess The Ring rather than be possessed by It, I believe the One Ring would have had the same effect on Its bearer as those rings given to Men. The Ring's bearer becoming invisible was, I believe, an indication that the bearer's will was weaker than that of the Ring.

3. Did Mr. Bombadil not put on The Ring? Did he disappear? No, good old Tom stayed visible. Perhaps, (assuming Tom is a Maia, anyhow he is very powerful) here's a classic example of "you must have power to wield power". Others can wear It, but It will be controlling them, and they will actually lose their visual forms. Those who have the great and unfathomable power are not subject to The Ring's invisibility "gift".

But just to make this short since I have no idea if I'm making any sense here...

Sauron controlled The Ring. (hence, he doesn't turn invisible)
When other weaker bearers bore It, It controlled them.

🙂

Agreed. It also means that since he made it and it was only made to be with and he poured his cruelty amd malice and some of his life force not all. He can decided wether or not if he wants to use the invisbility power of the Ring.

Originally posted by Aldaron
Agreed. It also means that since he made it and it was only made to be with and he poured his cruelty amd malice and some of his life force not all. He can decided wether or not if he wants to use the invisbility power of the Ring.

Precisely. 👆 ✅ 😄

your all wrong sorry

the ring cannot bend saurons mind to its will as the rings will is saurons will 🙂

^ that's what I said. Somewhat. 😉

somewhat but not exactly 😛

that is also why it doesnt turn tom bomba invisible, his mind cant be turned by it...

Yeah, their will is stronger than that of the Ring.

Sauron made The Ring, hence he's the one who controls It.