something should be done - myths and misconceptions

did you see secert wars 2 when Beyonder fought all the villians on marvel earth and the last one still going after him when all the rest had fallen was Juggernaut. He's like a sore thumb, you have to fight him eventually if your in his league, I like when in X-fore 14 spiderman teamed up with them and Warpath who is a 100 class tumbled off a skyscraper with Juggernaut and got up and the fight raged on. Juggernaut compared him to Collossus. Warpath and X-force are comming back in Force.
I would love to see Juggernaut fight the Blob. Blob is as cool a hero as Juggernaut, i like that he is not very strong but cannot be hurt or moved. Wolverine can pinch him but inorder to move him you have to lift the ground.
I think my fav. three villians are Goliath, Blob, Juggernaut, in that order.

i think juggernaut would move blob rather easily. i also think 1 clean shot to the head would end the fight. but it would be awsome/funny to watch it. also, i didn't know that beyonder even came into contact with the juggernaut. heh, learn something new everyday. thanx for the info

Strong Guy has moved the Blob. Juggernaut could do it easily. Also, you may want to check out Venom: the Madness, where an enhanced Venom beats the crap out of Juggernaut.

Frankly, the thing that bothers me the most in these battles is that people always assume that being more powerful = winnder. Not so. many fights have been show to have neded when somebody outsparts the other person. Considering how dumb someone like Juggernaut actually is, his being powerful doesn't always matter. Anybody remeber when Spider-man beat him by trickeng him into, what I remeber as a 30 foot deep fondation of wet cement? Is Spidey stronger? no. Tougher? No. Did he win? I'd say that counts.

Originally posted by Alan2099
Strong Guy has moved the Blob. Juggernaut could do it easily. Also, you may want to check out Venom: the Madness, where an enhanced Venom beats the crap out of Juggernaut.

Frankly, the thing that bothers me the most in these battles is that people always assume that being more powerful = winnder. Not so. many fights have been show to have neded when somebody outsparts the other person. Considering how dumb someone like Juggernaut actually is, his being powerful doesn't always matter. Anybody remeber when Spider-man beat him by trickeng him into, what I remeber as a 30 foot deep fondation of wet cement? Is Spidey stronger? no. Tougher? No. Did he win? I'd say that counts.

True. And not true. What would Spidey have done if there wasn't any nice concrete waiting for a Juggernaut to swallow ? Lure him into a volcano 🙂 ?

Spider-Man all the way if you ask me, and it was a great fight, but that day he was extremely lucky that this cement was there. How convenient that it was there, if you ask me, and how convenient Juggernaut walked in the right direction, straight in the cement !!

Without the cement, Spidey would have lost.

So intelligence is one thing, but sometimes you need luck even more.

Originally posted by who?-kid
True. And not true. What would Spidey have done if there wasn't any nice concrete waiting for a Juggernaut to swallow ? Lure him into a volcano 🙂 ?

Spider-Man all the way if you ask me, and it was a great fight, but that day he was extremely lucky that this cement was there. How convenient that it was there, if you ask me, and how convenient Juggernaut walked in the right direction, straight in the cement !!

Without the cement, Spidey would have lost.

So intelligence is one thing, but sometimes you need luck even more.

Dude that totally defeats the purpose of the story. Spiderman obviously can't beat Juggernaut hand to hand. So their has to be a way that SPiderman can beat him with his intelligence. The point is brute strength doesn't always win. Even when your the Incredible Hulk!

yea, doom has prevailed over just about anybody you can think of. he's basically human underneath all that armor.

there's a really simple solution to all of this. the fact is that the living tribunal, spectre, etc. are powerful to the point of incomprehension. combat means nothing to them. the moderators should just make a forum wide rule banning the use of them in these petty little battles. the star wars mods have already done it with EU.

Originally posted by Alan2099
Strong Guy has moved the Blob. Juggernaut could do it easily. Also, you may want to check out Venom: the Madness, where an enhanced Venom beats the crap out of Juggernaut.

Frankly, the thing that bothers me the most in these battles is that people always assume that being more powerful = winnder. Not so. many fights have been show to have neded when somebody outsparts the other person. Considering how dumb someone like Juggernaut actually is, his being powerful doesn't always matter. Anybody remeber when Spider-man beat him by trickeng him into, what I remeber as a 30 foot deep fondation of wet cement? Is Spidey stronger? no. Tougher? No. Did he win? I'd say that counts.

i think you might want to check out venom the madness where venom is rocked not juggernaut. oh man not this again................ venom even in upgraded form didn't do anything to juggernaut. it was a short inconclusive battle, which juggernaut left because "he wasn't being paid enough" for the task at hand. he is a criminal for higher.

it was a very odd fight. even tho there wasnt much other than a beating in the first issue and some tussel in the third.
Venom really did take a beating but remember he wasnt even IN the fight for the most part. he was going nuts by the earthly symbiote((hence the title Madness)) and Juggernuat bassicly tossed him around.
I cant see why the writer thought Venom should try to beat Juggy in a straight Brawl, Venom should act more like Spiderman((use the old noggin)) when facing foes with Strength like juggy. Upgraded Venom? I didnt see any signifacant change he didnt seem stronger or faster and never used any of the abilities that are his greatest asset.

my guess is the writer didnt know much or just didnt care about the mythology of either character and just did it to make a buck.
lol I sense a "I told you so" coming my way

i thought this too should be said. i didn't want people to think of current juggernaut when they posted him in a vs. thread. because he simply isn't as powerful as the true juggernaut that used to be. here is some links to explain what i mean.

http://www.geocities.com/hp_space/Imposternaut-bio.html

now the real juggernaut.......................

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/bio.html

Originally posted by SuperDarryl
Dude that totally defeats the purpose of the story. Spiderman obviously can't beat Juggernaut hand to hand. So their has to be a way that SPiderman can beat him with his intelligence. The point is brute strength doesn't always win. Even when your the Incredible Hulk!

I'm well aware what the point is, I even agree with it totally. I just wanted to point out that, in the Spider-Man - Juggernaut fight, Spider-Man used his brains in a good way but was also very lucky.

That's all I wanted to say. There's no shame in having some luck, no matter how smart you are.

better example, Daredevil trashed Mephisto, don't remember how, but Meph wasn't exactly happy to see him when DD and Strange summoned him. called him a fake and an imposter for dressing as a demon and doing angels work.

Anyone here ever read/buy the god awful series that was J2?
The son of Juggernaut... Ha! Just trying to comprehend the Giant that is Marko making love without squishing the girl in the process is well.. laugh able..